From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 17:14:36 +0200 Message-ID: <83leatkc6b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jhi3qx3.fsf@web.de> <83y1etkiuq.fsf@gnu.org> <6f376b44-0d57-0398-b494-a4cfdfa6d38c@gutov.dev> <83o7fpkd7g.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21898"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 16:15:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4jWL-0005Tw-OU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:15:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4jVq-0007Q0-9S; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:15:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4jVo-0007Pm-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4jVo-0003zU-2F; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:15:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=x2JPgxxq2/AQfO12nhwtPsKGybgwg7U02tZAPWFyZCo=; b=iDqtbg6G/Mfo Numl6pANy33Pz1LbnR0678JH+nAtNd7Mmk6r/o451Zy8blFb64XETGQCBkSMgoT2n9zjVtya0WQWx Jf9DsJKeqrBNRtmAgNb5bAbrLsGq6LTB0NXtc+SLzw0zGYcvRosJxkW9JZquAciI7rkjHKJZQDykg TFzMXAFnKUVX2vMgWicQw6Hs4AezeOgIwqk6XQfr16CcmAoqfJSOpL4an3cG2NEPa884EXeGt6oA8 OY1NFf191mvNKPpYGSh6WOkCUDiZCTKOU3kQHHCMsYZ7Vmh+W7C6/nR3rm+nuMTRqPbjnkbYl4MSa X4B2vQeovQcKejRvy6CYVg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:58:39 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312994 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:58:39 +0200 > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, > rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 19/11/2023 16:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>>> > >>>> What I don't like here in this discussion is that some people are not > >>>> willing to accept that other people make different experiences with the > >>>> same things. > >>> This goes both ways, you know. > >> The "other side" doesn't create threads with angry comments about the > >> developers with opposing views writing lower-level verbose code > >> (choo-choo trains, Joao called that), with calls to prohibit such practices. > > I meant this very thread. The very previous message, actually. > > I don't see calls for prohibiting those implementation styles, in the > previous messages, or anywhere. It would be impractical anyway. I wasn't talking about prohibiting, I was talking about accepting that both sides have a right to describe their experiences. > >> OTOH, enacting a ban on particular abstractions will just about > >> guarantee that certain kinds of features will not be implemented. > > That's a strawman: no one of those who set policies here suggested any > > bans. One should be able to post opinions for and against certain > > coding styles without being accuse in mortal sins. > > No one is arguing about whether people are allowed to post opinions. > > There have been a few calls for working toward dropping pcase or cl-lib > from the Emacs core, however. You need to know to whom you listen, before you make such far-reaching conclusions.