From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:25:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83k4adu2r1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4E48D309.6050503@acdlabs.ru> <83hb5jujjs.fsf@gnu.org> <874o1j10zv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8362lyvcli.fsf@gnu.org> <87fwl2r0l4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83zkjatnkz.fsf@gnu.org> <877h6et8oi.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83vctxua2y.fsf@gnu.org> <8739h1al7f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313486756 4240 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2011 09:25:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 11:25:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtFuA-0000JI-Tq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:25:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55684 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtFuA-0002yF-FP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:25:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtFu7-0002yA-4f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:25:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtFu6-00044w-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:25:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:48249) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtFu0-000443-UR; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 05:25:41 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LQ000B00IEL8P00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:25:39 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.171.158]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LQ0009Z8KUPXDN0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:25:39 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <8739h1al7f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143294 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:07:16 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Chong Yidong > > > >> since there is no near-term solution, how bout turning off bidi > >> display reordering for prog-mode buffers? > > > > What for? No one complained about it yet, and leaving it on helps > > find bugs and inefficiencies in the bidi display engine. So my vote > > is NAY. > > Sounds like the plan is to make Emacs painful to use for everyone in > order to make it a priority for L2R users to solve R2L problems. If L2R users don't want bidirectional support any place near them, to the degree that they are unwilling to help make it better at the cost of some moderate effort, please tell so now. I will then rip out everything I did, and will forbid the FSF to ever use that code in any version of Emacs they distribute. That won't make up for the 2 years of efforts I invested in making this happen, but at least I will cut my losses and won't have to go through the ordeal of arguing with one David Kastrup anymore.