From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:04:24 +0200 Message-ID: <83k320wy93.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <87tx19rd1b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205215138.GF7784@thyrsus.com> <54823617.4000406@cs.ucla.edu> <83k325195l.fsf@gnu.org> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418144729 9698 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 17:05:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 17:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: yandros@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 09 18:05:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyODx-0007H7-Ve for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:05:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41516 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyODx-0002Ix-HG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:05:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34538) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyODF-0001xL-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:04:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyODA-0001MS-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:04:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:37229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyODA-0001M8-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:04:32 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGB00200R3SYJ00@mtaout25.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:00:14 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGB00LXAR8EAQ60@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:00:14 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179574 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:19:34 -0500 > Cc: emacs > > That's not what I'm talking about. I know that the MB/s processed by > Texinfo-5 is much slower than Texinfo-4 and is unlikely to improve > noticeably in the foreseeable future. What I'm asking is whether > Texinfo-5 could be improved so that it can do the work by processing > fewer megabytes, because it would only process the modified files: the > Elisp manual is about 3MB of Texinfo code, but usually you only work on > a single one of those files, which is at most 300kB, so doing > separate-compilation would give you a speed up of at least 10, making > the result a lot more tolerable (and on which we can have control, so if > it's still not fast enough we can split the manual into smaller files). Makeinfo validates pointers and cross-references that could lead into many other parts. Separate compilation would need to leave some info about those other parts in a form that is much more easily readable. And then there's the --split-size option, the Index nodes (which are computed from the entire document, and index entries from a single file are non-contiguous), and other complications. HTML output has more of them, btw. Sounds like a nice project. How about bringing it up on the Texinfo list? Who knows, we might get lucky.