From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:45:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83k2qspzx6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444617967 5399 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2015 02:46:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 04:45:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlT7d-0002ti-67 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52222 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlT7c-0005Xg-1G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:45:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlT7Y-0005XQ-9X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlT7V-0001wb-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:45:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:32978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlT7U-0001wD-RO; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:45:49 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NW300N0054I5700@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:45:12 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NW3002CG6BC5R00@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:45:12 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191300 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:23:55 -0400 > From: John Yates > Cc: Emacs developers , Dmitry Gutov > > I use GUD + gdb-many-windows. I put up with its quirks, shortcoming and > idiosyncrasies because I am an old geezer devoted to emacs. And I would love to > see an improved debugging environment. But no amount of improvement along those > lines will give Emacs any stronger claim to being an IDE. I don't understand what made you worked out. All Richard was saying that a debugger front-end is an important part of an IDE. I'm sure you agree. Yes, much more is needed to make it a more complete IDE.