From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:59:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83k2ldrmdj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <83egbmt2on.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb4ykn17.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <838u1ut22y.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov6kmfe.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <8360wxtz9r.fsf@gnu.org> <87twkhef7h.fsf@vostro.rath.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457452814 18791 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2016 16:00:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nikolaus Rath Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 08 17:00:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adK3N-0001WX-2W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:00:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35512 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adK3M-0003iT-Ln for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:00:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adK30-0003Ny-Pn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:59:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adK2x-0007jm-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:59:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adK2x-0007jh-95; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:59:43 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2703 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adK2w-0002Cy-KG; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:59:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <87twkhef7h.fsf@vostro.rath.org> (message from Nikolaus Rath on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 21:00:50 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201158 Archived-At: > From: Nikolaus Rath > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 21:00:50 -0800 > > > The reasons exist, and has been described. You may not agree with > > them, perhaps due to different experience, but that doesn't mean they > > aren't valid. > > Yeah, but what exactly is your point here? I was pointing out that this > practice is astonishing for new contributors. You didn't understand why, > so I explained that it's astonishing because to a new contributor it > seems pointless. Now you assert that there are good reasons for it, but > that really doesn't change that, to new contributors, it appears > pointless and is astonishing. My point is that the initial surprise will subside with time, by way of getting used to it. It is even possible that you will come to value this, as someone else who reported here. > Sorry, I still don't follow your reasoning. I still consider myself a > potential contributor (I didn't contribute much beyond that first little > foray), and not requiring me to copy my commit message into the > ChangeLog is not going to affect the quality of the commit measures in > any way. The only "message" that I get from this is "Great, sending > patches for Emacs doesn't require me to do a copy & paste anymore". As long as you don't have write access to the repository, you are not required to provide the log entries more than once, and so this issue doesn't really affect you. This issue is only relevant to those who actually push changes, because they might need to copy/paste into the ChangeLog file.