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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com>
Cc: radon.neon@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:02:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k21s99w9.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42c93165-2d85-8501-9cc8-99830b7b3646@gmail.com> (message from Nikolay Kudryavtsev on Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:57:30 +0300)

> From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:57:30 +0300
> 
> So I propose, we don't do anything until user either:
> 
> 1. Requires something that's not available.
> 
> 2. Calls a function that's not available.
> 
> In either of those cases we check whether (package-initialize) was already called. And, if not, we give user an
> interactive window along the lines of:
> 
>  "You tried to call X which is not available and Emacs package manager was not initialized. Press: 
> 
>  i to initialize and try again
> 
>  w to initialize, try again and don't ask again
> 
>  x to dismiss
> 
>  K to dissmiss and never ask again."
> 
> w writes (package-initialize) to init)

IME, annoying users in this way is not welcome in this community.
Doing this once is borderline, doing this multiple times in the same
session is going to annoy too much, I think.

And anyway, I don't see how this solves the problem of packages being
loaded when the user said not to by customizing package-load-list.
Your proposal in effect will load packages after Emacs reads ~/.emacs,
which is what we do now, so how is it different?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-24 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-20  2:38 Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  6:10 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:20   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 18:39       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21  0:33         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-21  4:08           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:37   ` Alex
2017-08-20 16:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:46     ` Yuri Khan
2017-08-20 16:54       ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:18         ` Colin Baxter
2017-08-22 21:24       ` Alex
2017-08-20 17:22   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 17:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 17:54       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:43           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 20:33               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  2:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22  4:52                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  8:41                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 16:02                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 14:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22 18:09                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:01                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-21  9:04   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-21 14:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:34       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:47         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 11:37         ` Timur Aydin
2017-08-22 16:58           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:04             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23  5:17               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 11:33                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-08-23 17:16                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 13:28                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 17:31                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 18:00                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 18:32                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:27                         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 20:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:21                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 21:44                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:53                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24  0:44                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24  6:39                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:03                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <<83fucg99cj.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 17:44                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:12                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 18:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 21:34                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 21:40                                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <<83bmn496js.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 18:36                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  1:04                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23  3:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 16:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-24 17:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 18:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  3:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  3:59                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:45                     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  6:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 11:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  1:04             ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:28                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:34                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-26 22:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-26 22:33                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:18     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 19:09 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-23 15:57 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 18:17   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 19:17     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 19:38       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:09         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24  0:13           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 13:44             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-25  1:04               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 22:30   ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24  0:54     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 11:13       ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24 17:02   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-08-24 17:52     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 13:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-21  8:24 angelo.g0
2017-08-21 16:22 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 19:35   ` Angelo Graziosi

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