From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken. Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:15:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83k1g04al8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20190228202146.GC4686@ACM> <20190228205955.GD4686@ACM> <20190410162203.GA4009@ACM> <9809d5ce-c1c4-48e9-6dac-489431b34067@cs.ucla.edu> <671ba8dd-894b-5698-d162-8901b1098b9a@cs.ucla.edu> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="130702"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 11 21:16:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEfBM-000XqN-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 21:16:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53726 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEfBL-0004cl-2M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:16:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEfBE-0004Yg-07 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33785) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEfBD-0000cL-46; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1819 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hEfBC-0000QT-Bz; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:16:11 -0400 In-reply-to: <671ba8dd-894b-5698-d162-8901b1098b9a@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:31:36 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235303 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:31:36 -0700 > > On 4/11/19 2:35 AM, Robert Pluim wrote: > > Much as I dislike Autoconf, what would you have us replace it with? > > I was thinking of using just standard tools (as per the GNU Coding > Standards) along with GNU Make - and, once the Emacs core is built, we > can use Emacs itself. Although we started assuming GNU Make in Emacs 25, > we haven't been using GNU Make's features fully and some of its features > could effectively replace the need for Autoconf. You want to test for system-dependent features with Make? How does one do that? All those HAVE_foo macros in the sources -- how do you compute them with Make? Wouldn't we end up with heaps of Make wizardry only a few understand? > A benefit of this approach would be faster builds. Right now the biggest > bottleneck on my system is the time to run 'configure' whenever I make a > trivial change to configure.ac or whatever. I *hate* that. IME, the slowest part is byte compilation of Lisp files. Of course, that is only a significant factor when you bootstrap or rebuild large parts of Emacs, but still.