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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	akrl@sdf.org
Subject: Re: Reliable after-change-functions (via: Using incremental parsing in Emacs)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:36:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k1301qq4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <816186eb-baac-f5c7-04df-a3f30780d91d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:31:43 +0300)

> Cc: casouri@gmail.com, akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:31:43 +0300
> 
> On 31.03.2020 16:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Why does it need the entire buffer up front? that sounds like a
> > potential performance killer.  Fontifying a small part of a buffer
> > doesn't need its entire text.
> 
> Because the end product of parsing the buffer is an AST, and the author 
> decided to minimize the odds of problems that come with 
> incomplete/broken ASTs.

But it definitely can work with parts of the buffer, and we don't need
it to have a complete AST for this particular job.

> The previous (first) discussion of TreeSitter has an URL to a 
> presentation video. You can give it a watch.

Thanks, I've watched it back in January, when I wrote my message
calling for its integration.

> Regarding performance, their solution is to make first parsing as fast 
> as possible, and updates to an existing AST faster still.

I'm talking about _our_ performance, not theirs.

> As for the difficulty of sending the whole buffer contents... maybe VS 
> Code and Atom somehow make it easier? If so, someone should investigate 
> why it has to be slower in Emacs.

It should be obvious that sending a buffer as a single string is less
efficient than letting tree-sitter access buffer text directly.  We
just need an appropriate API for that (maybe there is one already, I
didn't take a look at their sources since January).



  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-31 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-29 18:46 Using incremental parsing in Emacs (via: emacs rendering comparisson between emacs23 and emacs26.3) Stefan Monnier
2020-03-29 19:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-29 19:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-29 19:29     ` Reliable after-change-functions (via: Using incremental parsing in Emacs) Yuan Fu
2020-03-30 14:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-30 15:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30 17:14         ` Yuan Fu
2020-03-30 17:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30 18:43             ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-30 18:46               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30 19:02                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-03-30 19:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-30 19:21                     ` Yuan Fu
2020-03-31  3:56                       ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-31 13:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 13:36                           ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-31 14:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 15:37                               ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-31 15:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 16:18                                   ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-31 17:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01  0:57                     ` Stephen Leake
2020-03-30 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30 19:27                 ` Štěpán Němec
2020-03-31  2:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31  3:10             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-31 13:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 14:31                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-03-31 15:36                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-03-31 15:45                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-03-31 17:16                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-31 17:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 19:35                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-01  2:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 15:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-31 15:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 17:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-31 17:19                       ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-03-31 17:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 18:42                         ` 조성빈
2020-03-31 19:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 18:47                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-03-31 18:48                           ` Noam Postavsky
2020-03-31 19:02                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-03-31 19:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-31 19:50                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01  2:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01  3:49                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01  4:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 13:47                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01 14:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 14:55                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 15:16                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01 15:59                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 21:48                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01 22:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-02 14:23                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-02 16:17                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-02 18:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-03 14:40                                                   ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-03 16:10                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01 13:52                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-01 14:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 15:27                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-01 15:44                                           ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-01 16:03                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 21:21                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-02 14:09                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-02 18:03                                                 ` 조성빈 via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-02 18:27                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-02 19:39                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-01 15:22                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 11:06                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-04 11:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 14:14                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-04 14:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 15:04                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-04 15:38                                                   ` Richard Copley
2020-04-04 11:27                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 12:01                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 12:36                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-04 12:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 13:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 16:09                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 16:38                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 16:45                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 17:22                                                       ` Richard Copley
2020-04-04 17:50                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 18:29                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-04 18:56                                                           ` Richard Copley
2020-04-04 20:36                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-04 17:36                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 17:47                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 18:02                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 23:01                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-06 14:25                                                               ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-06 19:55                                                                 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-04 17:29                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-04 17:38                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 17:57                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-03-31 16:13                 ` Alan Third
2020-03-31 17:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-30  3:35     ` Using incremental parsing in Emacs (via: emacs rendering comparisson between emacs23 and emacs26.3) Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30  6:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-30 13:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-30 14:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-30 15:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-01  0:39               ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-03-31 17:07 Reliable after-change-functions (via: Using incremental parsing in Emacs) Tuấn Anh Nguyễn
2020-03-31 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01  6:17   ` Tuấn Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-01 13:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 15:47       ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-01 16:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 17:55       ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-01 19:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-01 23:38           ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-02  0:25             ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-02  2:46             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-02  4:36               ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-02 14:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-02 15:19                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-02  5:21             ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-02 14:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-03  2:27               ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-03  7:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-03 17:45                   ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-03 18:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04  0:04                       ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-04  7:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-02  4:21           ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-02  5:19             ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-02  9:29               ` Stephen Leake
2020-04-02 10:37             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-02 11:14               ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn
2020-04-02 13:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-02 15:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-02 15:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-03 14:34               ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn

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