From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83k0rce76v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eehng52n.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtwbye5b.fsf@gmail.com> <87czx7ycva.fsf@tcd.ie> <87eehmyalr.fsf@gmail.com> <877dneoewi.fsf@tcd.ie> <875z2yy6z7.fsf@gmail.com> <83v9axg3sr.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gpws3i.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0rdvdal.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2434"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, yandros@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 08:53:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lApjj-0000W3-QB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:53:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApji-0006Na-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:53:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56530) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApie-0005dF-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:51:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lApid-0004uG-Kf; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:51:55 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1545 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lApid-0005uM-16; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:51:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:49:29 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264579 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:49:29 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: Robert Pluim , Eli Zaretskii , > chad , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > So itʼs ~80% GTK, 16% Lucid, and Motif can be removed. > > > > Thanks for the analysis, and I agree that if we're going to remove > > anything Motif seems like the obvious candidate here. > > > > One possible thing to take into consideration: Are there any systems > > (that we care about) where Motif is the only toolkit solution > > available? > > Motif: > http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/motif.html > > CDE: > https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ > > As Motif offers high degree of compatibility for various systems it > would not be good to remove it for the sake of users on those > systems. Which systems are those where Motif is the _only_ toolkit available, though? That was the question. If you have the answer to that question, or some resource which could provide the answer, please tell. I couldn't find the answer on the pages to which you pointed; did I miss something? The pages look outdated, btw.