From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:24:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83k0oqlcov.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <1c2c69f9-f42e-45e2-ab0e-8506aa859f85@yandex.ru> <8335ven7tu.fsf@gnu.org> <6654ddbe-0f1b-f36e-26f2-f4ee178b12ac@yandex.ru> <677a04021bc7fbe7bcef@heytings.org> <83mttmldk6.fsf@gnu.org> <677a04021b5149138e32@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35696"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 15:25:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lael2-0009D5-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:25:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53870 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lael1-0000ZH-MW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laekZ-00009T-K1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laekY-0003ZX-Jl; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:24:38 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3637 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1laekX-00058Z-Vy; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:24:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <677a04021b5149138e32@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:16:33 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268378 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:16:33 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> What about adding (define-key map [delete] 'scroll-down-command) to > >> help-map? > > > > Isn't that what Dmitry suggested above? > > Whoops, yes, indeed, I wrote too fast. If that would be a horribly wrong > change I'm sorry, what I wrote there wasn't meant to call Dmitry's suggestion "horribly wrong". Although I realize how it could be easily read that way, and I'm sorry for not paying attention to that reading. Here's the relevant part of that exchange: > > I would prefer that would just be printed as such, > > everywhere. > > You can't, because not every keyboard has that key. And because users > still can confuse that with the BS (a.k.a. "C-h") key. And because we > have normal-erase-is-backspace-mode. > > > > Perhaps the easiest fix would be to handle Delete same as Backspace here. > > > > Yes, that could alleviate the problem in this particular case. > > Please don't, that would be a horribly wrong change. Like making C-f > move backwards. What I consider to be "horribly wrong" is to replace DEL _everywhere_ by , which was the original suggestion above. I don't object to handling like DEL in this particular case, especially since we already did that, since long ago, and it somehow regressed.