From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:02:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83k03p4ffo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <651bbe21-f179-730a-4f10-7dc6d27055ea@gmail.com> <835yfa6qm2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33315"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 20 20:03:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1owpb9-0008W4-AE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:03:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owpaZ-0000pf-Vu; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:02:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owpaX-0000nB-HZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:02:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owpaW-0005ZG-A0; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:02:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=yDO+I0fmmGsB0JmxsdTmV4NHpxrXzwm3wgtD3AxYdj0=; b=UB9JxxJ7SOJ+ qvT4ZSCfs68ww90c2/fjxFrNFtYmu0FqVtyZGOn27Gvtjj67Fd0tk4m1EpaN4dL3jGMT9goabPS6v t+7wBmhhN2HkMfnZxT0s0y8sqjy4NydLr5zoSLBJ1sZsH9mk+Ry/MvUCpg2+1ZNQzuH+riufoL/kK W87AD4bXbkZvt5Y+cMyVe361M8gKxEO4DRizUaFsSgI7IfwnuHwelqfBepSzmPoMz5RmuRP3s0BD0 5LboQM6mKarFlWzx1MgdN2ClEl+9kwoXeNz+bv8uPl8yhQpQ1ns/C2t1UZpLgD5+o4smFi0qTgq2i Yppj4xx2QR6XZL6nxr3aJQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owpaU-0004js-MY; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 14:02:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:55:54 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300266 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "rms@gnu.org" , > "gerd.moellmann@gmail.com" > , > "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:55:54 +0000 > > > As I wrote at the > > beginning of this thread, I'm not convinced we need this kind of > > functionality in Emacs Lisp (and I explained why I thought so). > > What kind of functionality is "this kind"? Would > you mind repeating that, if you explained it, and > summarizing your "why" - or else point to where > you've already done that? Sorry, I cannot afford repeating that. Please read the beginning of the thread. > If you decided (e.g., at the outset) that this > kind of functionality isn't needed, I guess I > missed that announcement. But what kind? Packages. > Did someone say that "CL has it" is a convincing > argument for why Elisp should have it - whatever > you might think "it" is? That's the only argument I've heard.