From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unifying "foo-mode"s and "foo-ts-mode"s Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:03:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83k0286cya.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877cyagmti.fsf@posteo.net> <831qoi85u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt76f4n4.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfgy6l0n.fsf@gnu.org> <877cy9b1k0.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <83zgb55409.fsf@gnu.org> <87fscw9av0.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfgw6g8m.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8ls7u0j.fsf@posteo.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="344"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 18:04:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pBInj-000AU3-4B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 18:04:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBInJ-0005LA-TG; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:03:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBInI-0005Gx-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:03:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBInI-0002x7-5P; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:03:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=mxqtPO3v6ExPWd6HSk+wq6VUR4YS732LMDmpZF3BSpA=; b=H+sEiV3vyq5k KabKmruJhK8woi1I3toICUC5tZ/k8e4m004kK6OvUqJ7Loo0TNUcYjzx1TJK98dGIeSsUl+77djUl UnB6ZoomQJsXLWUnMNW1vTWXXvloT23AAIc3gYRpl51Qk4HJbUCk5/tDJ2GpFHz3q0O2Yowig7lH6 p0QTE9Yl0J+mVjt0b2n/7sGw/W5o33h65FsSeUlQmeey2q1h8obSCoKIlAaCaxafgr5OUAdFIfw0b Yu55Jv5egQQmRDCW4qQlZ5hMirTa3BK8gv77gLI2R+IzMZIp/81Z8rZe19HiHvoM/TFKrdSo3U3aP W/+h4zNeRh2YIiYQokpzNg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBInH-0002ZE-0g; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:03:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:44 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302131 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:44 -0500 > > > I am not sure what you are referring to here. My point was just that > > features that have to be enabled manually are usually never enabled by > > non-enthusiasts (which I believe are the majority, even for Emacs). > > FWIW, I think it's perfectly OK if that's how it plays out in Emacs-29. > That gives us a freer hand to improve the integration in Emacs>29. Agreed. AFAIR, that was one of the reasons we eventually decided to go this way in Emacs 29.