From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 17:43:09 +0200 Message-ID: <83jzqrylte.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <83sf5fyx60.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7g3ynjp.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6lvhrme.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17891"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 09 16:43:51 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r17CB-0004Me-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 16:43:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r17Bf-0008Ee-Tn; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r17Be-0008DG-As for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:43:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r17Bd-0005aQ-AR; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:43:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bBNlSFBOIoGpuBZsI2ZdO5weauW+w535DhgWXP6q8So=; b=XwCx/UWj7sBi Ad3nKUZExYvyNs0lZ+vUNqDBe9YFv30ctVq1xoO0kI1FtjgQo2+mmTt9wdTkwnMIp2PYK5+Nm8uXJ MvpJqfnpHAHwo24Q9t1rc6vVHM5j4KZ4Cah1m2KGQ9IdGE2H6oE2XKz/VkcW83VBe32ZI2bOC+jol CW1lpBKvmyxytRdZuYn5rZ0x0ATjSiOQcw9r2T0yTTEzp4vpuO6NeX9XZJujftuNc/zzDspxu+4aY nUsjm3cuPcDTyDH0VjxxQUOqduOKfTglonPrtwtKJgM+SI6UErF0n6pwyK0SOKQcDJSM5jDSfD46s XpLOugY2WKW2CI317o/Ifg==; In-Reply-To: <87h6lvhrme.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Thu, 09 Nov 2023 16:29:45 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312425 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 16:29:45 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > We all know our own code well. I'm asking you not to judge > > the burden of the maintainers in maintaining code they > > didn't write nor even see [...] > > We should distribute the maintenance effort so that to > a higher degree, people who wrote the code are maintaining it, This is a volunteer-based project, so we have no way of "distributing the maintenance effort", unless people volunteer to do it. In particular, for absolute majority of the Emacs code, the people who wrote the code are no longer on board. That's the reality. If you mean that the authors who are still here should be asked to take care of their code, then this is already being done, always, and cannot be done to any higher degree.