From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:40:36 +0200 Message-ID: <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417714845 7204 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2014 17:40:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joaotavora@gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 18:40:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaOL-0003Be-VZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:40:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaOL-0002oM-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:40:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52083) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaOC-0002nt-Hq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:40:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaO7-0001EU-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:40:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:54707) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwaO7-0001Dj-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:40:23 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG200K00JMKBC00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:40:22 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG200J8FJR9TNA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:40:22 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178842 Archived-At: > From: joaotavora@gmail.com (Jo=E3o T=E1vora) > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:32:23 +0000 > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: >=20 > > Cheesy as it sounds, perhaps, what is needed is "mentors". So, so= meone > > wants to fix something or change something about Emacs, they get = a short > > term mentor to help them through the process (both at a code leve= l, and > > at a rules of community level). So, the first piece of advice in > > contribute wouldn't be "do this, do that", it would be "think of = a > > problem, ask for a mentor". >=20 > +1 to this. In every software project I've worked on, some form of > mentorship has proven essential in every first-time > contribution. Including projects that I started, and including Emac= s > (thanks Stefan!). I also think that we have mentoring here, so I don't understand what exactly is this gripe about. People ask questions, both here and on bug-gnu-emacs, and get helpful answers and guidance even when the questions are only tangentially related to Emacs (or even not at all). What exactly is missing? Or maybe I don't understand what "mentoring" is being alluded to here= .