From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <83iohp3li5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <20141205185636.GH3120@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417810285 25658 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 20:11:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 21:11:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwzDk-0004nt-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:11:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52321 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwzDj-0000Yt-Q4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56915) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwzDT-0000Xy-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwzDP-0007Ln-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:11:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:54230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwzDO-0007LO-SB; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:10:59 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG400G00KS2HW00@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:08:42 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG4008OULAIYN70@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:08:42 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20141205185636.GH3120@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.185 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179003 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:56:36 -0500 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: Karl Fogel , Eli Zaretskii , > eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > The http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ Emacs web pages are maintained in > > CVS. > > Oh, holy jumping *fuck*. > > And you still wonder why you can't get more help maintaining them? > There may be other reasons, but this is a sufficient one. CVS, like > Texinfo and far too many of this project's inheritances from ancient > times, is a gigantic neon sign that says to new developers WE *LIVE* > TO INFLICT PROCESS PAIN ON YOU. THIS IS NOT OUR CVS!! This is how Savannah handles all projects, it's not our decision. You want to change that, too, be my guest. But don't blame us, because we didn't invent it and we don't maintain Savannah.