From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:21:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83ioaefcy8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <831th2h1m3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lhfaff0f.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435087323 29178 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 19:22:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 19:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org To: Nikolai Weibull Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 21:21:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7TlX-00023q-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:21:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47096 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7TlX-0003uc-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:21:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7TlJ-0003uV-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7TlF-0008OI-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:41566) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7TlE-0008O2-V0; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQE00B00W4DK900@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:21:31 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQE00BHAWFUKL10@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:21:31 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187444 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:05:42 +0200 > From: Nikolai Weibull > Cc: Brief Busters , Stephen Turnbull , acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu,=20 > =09rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers >=20 > > You want to see curved, compare with > > Symbola or Lucida Console. >=20 > So if a user happens to use these fonts they=E2=80=99ll be fine? No. > >> Do you mean that most users of Emacs who read their e-mail in a > >> mono-spaced font may be confused by their font=E2=80=99s poor re= ndering of > >> real quotation marks? > > > > No, I mean that seeing these quotes in scientific and professiona= l > > literature won't help, because they are typeset in a very differe= nt > > typeface there. >=20 > So they=E2=80=99re expected to be able to read but not be able to s= ee past the > minute differences between two symbols (which are their own mirror > images, so really only one) in two different typefaces? They shouldn't be expected to be able to distinguish between confusingly similar, but subtly different characters. Let me give yo= u a few examples: " =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9D =E2=80=9F =E3=80=9E =E3=80=9F =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9E Can you tell which one is which just by looking at them? (Assuming your fonts are set to display all of them, that is.)