From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we just start dumping cl-lib? Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:07:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83io6p7kxm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <560E0DA7.6080305@dancol.org> <560E1615.2020002@dancol.org> <83r3ld7n67.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443776639 16139 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2015 09:03:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 11:03:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhwFo-00045I-AT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:03:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58190 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhwFn-0004vU-Hi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 05:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44529) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhvNh-0008KT-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 04:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhvNc-0004d1-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 04:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:57876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhvNX-0004aE-9R; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 04:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVL009002C57800@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:07:41 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVL008DN2KTUX90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:07:41 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <83r3ld7n67.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190659 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:19:12 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Up until now, the rules for pre-loading package X were that either > (a) some preloaded package requires X, or (b) X will be auto-loaded at > the beginning of every session by some very frequent operation, like > visiting the first file or creating a window or a frame. > > Since winner is itself an optional package that not everyone uses > (e.g., I don't), this case doesn't seem to qualify, IMO. OTOH, visiting a C file or a file in Outline mode loads cl-lib, so perhaps it's indeed time to preload it.