From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:25:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83io6frmmv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <87pp0ngksh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83zizrrqs2.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhbbggz4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83si5jroxg.fsf@gnu.org> <87egh3gfu7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83mvvrrnvs.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8rrgeb3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444476401 25668 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2015 11:26:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 13:26:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZksII-0001N9-8a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:26:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44538 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZksIH-0000XX-E1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:26:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZksID-0000X0-O2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:26:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZksIB-0000Bo-Ov for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:26:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:46659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZksI7-000087-Vd; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:26:20 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NW000E004XDDY00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:25:22 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NW000EMG52ADD10@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:25:22 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87a8rrgeb3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191129 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:20:48 +0200 > > >> ruling your work unwelcome. > > > > Ah, so we are again talking about hurt feelings? > > I had no work invested in that area, so trying to turn this into an ad > hominem attack is a bit pointless. No attack here, David, certainly not on you. I just wanted to know whether we are talking about technical difficulties or psychological ones. The latter is exactly where will power should come into play. > > Policy decisions can be easily translated into "technical > > difficulties", by writing more code. > > Shrug. One can rewrite GCC in Elisp in order to avoid the interdict > against generic interfaces and data exchange. I don't think one needs to rewrite GCC in any language to get the information we need. Some coding is indeed in order. > Rewriting something from scratch for the sake of escaping the shackles > of proprietary software is a motivation we can expect some contributors > to Emacs and GCC to have. Rewriting something from scratch for the sake > of escaping the shackles of applied FSF policies isn't. That's just not > the typical target clientele of GCC and Emacs and it shouldn't need to > be. Now you are creating a straw man.