From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 20:20:58 +0200 Message-ID: <83io5cnyid.fsf@gnu.org> References: <563ABD66.6070700@yandex.ru> <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> <87twp0d2xp.fsf@md5i.com> <563B5E82.8070003@yandex.ru> <83mvuoo1pl.fsf@gnu.org> <85611c2wyh.fsf@iznogoud.viz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447006891 22806 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2015 18:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mwd@md5i.com, jwiegley@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 08 19:21:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvUae-0008E3-RC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 19:21:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvUad-0001Ao-EE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 13:21:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38777) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvUaQ-0001AY-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 13:21:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvUaN-00086k-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 13:21:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:42824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvUaN-00086g-44; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 13:21:03 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXI00M00D0GV800@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 20:19:55 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXI00EC3DL7F990@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 20:19:55 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <85611c2wyh.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193633 Archived-At: > From: Wolfgang Jenkner > Cc: John Wiegley , mwd@md5i.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 19:00:06 +0100 > > On Sun, Nov 08 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > My greatest fears are that packages that move from core to ELPA will > > get much less attention from the core maintenance team, which will > > eventually degrade their quality. > > But this is not what actually happens with completely separately > developed complex packages like SLIME, Evil... Most packages in core are not of this kind. > On the other hand, IIUC, moving CEDET to emacs core has not been > completely without problems for the CEDET project and its users. Such moves are never without problems, which is exactly my point. In this case, I think the benefits far outweighed the problems: until CEDET was incorporated into Emacs core, we couldn't even dream about using it as infrastructure for IDEs and other similar features. AFAIR, there was also lots of cleanup during the move. But moving ELPA packages into the core is not being discussed or suggested. So what happened with CEDET, even if you disagree with my assessment above, has little relevance to the issue at hand.