From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: version vs edition numbers in Emacs manuals Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 09:59:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83imo2k8sy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0d07699b-0b9f-fd44-11a2-9058c9eaa02b@cs.ucla.edu> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="194807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 09:00:48 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQoL2-000oWa-89 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 09:00:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQoL1-00011f-1D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:00:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQoK0-0008H5-W7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 03:59:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQoK0-0007c4-Hr; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 03:59:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3051 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQoJs-00088L-Bc; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 03:59:36 -0400 In-reply-to: <0d07699b-0b9f-fd44-11a2-9058c9eaa02b@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:35:53 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241721 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:35:53 -0700 > > I noticed Glenn's comment at the start of doc/emacs/emacs.texi that > EDITION (which was "Seventeenth") offers nothing that EMACSVER > ("27.0.50") does not. I'd go further and say that it's a net minus, > since it's confusing to have competing version numbers for the same thing. > > Although separating software version numbers from book edition numbers > made sense in the old days when most users had only low-resolution > displays and/or printers, nowadays the practice appears to be more > trouble than it's worth. So I installed the attached patch, to switch > the main Emacs manuals to simple version numbers like "27.0". Comments > welcome. I've reverted this. We cannot unilaterally remove this stuff, we must talk to the FSF publishing people and have their agreement first, because they will need to know it is now their responsibility to keep track of the edition number. The edition appears on the book's cover: e.g., my copy of the latest Emacs Manual says "Eighteenth edition for GNU Emacs version 26.1". Richard, who we should talk to about changing this?