From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:39:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83imgt9uk8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <35DBF02E-44D7-41E5-A217-7D6EC84ED221@icloud.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="28608"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pcr910303@icloud.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 18 16:40:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jagwH-0007JN-FJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 16:40:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45576 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jagwG-00041z-AS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jagvk-0003L7-Bl for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:39:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jagvi-000555-Uu; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4675 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jagvB-0001jh-7K; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:39:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 17 May 2020 23:48:59 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250751 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, ams@gnu.org, > Emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, > phillip.lord@russet.org.uk > Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 23:48:59 -0400 > > > If we regard ELPA just as distribution site, we shouldn't decide so lightly to leave important packages on ELPA, we should be tend more to adding them to core. > > I don't see how that follows necessarily. Can you explain what leads > you from the premise to that conclusion? Basically, I believe that if ELPA is just a distribution site, putting a package there sends a message that we aren't interested in a package and are indifferent to its contents, coding standards, etc. In practice this means that there's nothing to allow us to recommend those packages over those from other archives, except that we checked the license and made sure it doesn't use non-free software (and even the latter will probably become with time a superficial check that will not reveal enough). When someone comes with a package that implements important features, I'd like them to understand that, and be prepared to cooperate and coordinate with us, whether immediately or in the future. That needs better ties that just "here's your place; use it wisely".