From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:58:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83ilp1qhcv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83y1y2utnd.fsf@gnu.org> <87r13up587.fsf@localhost> <83o7yyur0l.fsf@gnu.org> <87leu2p3nu.fsf@localhost> <83leu2uewn.fsf@gnu.org> <87r13qv701.fsf@localhost> <87o7yuwhif.fsf@randomsample> <878rpyv0nj.fsf@localhost> <838rpyrsgf.fsf@gnu.org> <87czf9np98.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26094"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: deng@randomsample.de, theophilusx@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 16 08:01:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iZV-0006ZZ-6g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:01:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46082 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iZT-0002Fy-HC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 02:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iXA-0001Wp-81 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 01:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iX7-0002a5-VP; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 01:59:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HnkYteV6zIXcrE41Ign2ROZOPsAFvF1BJcSpOJjQTZY=; b=ZQz9G4imKQRl vKaKjfFPIjJrPgCY/YAnwXGX++w6VkcBAlA4kxuRfOAyvUDFJH5uCBNXG9b7FcdfuMpvPJ7MUeeef bTDcpP5PDbudv1iusCiSgJ+T8S0VFcUoiQbOBMJV6Z4Pe83uYSnjuCq/dTO5DqxqG6n3RcAFjtTE+ 39LATixQ4UuhWy49+86urL/2KmjOMnR5FMI4qyyJblEAuGfcPnN4ix90oOJQJ8T70gmEsXFlDtgtD +5jc81RueSKNHA0WENnDF82gpdOoDINSEePqLWX4rpuLhPNrNgmMH+ulO9L+L+os9FGfP7U9hpH9r aSjetRPfI92IGEsY3vuA7Q==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4670 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iX2-00045A-Q7; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 01:59:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87czf9np98.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:36:35 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291231 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: deng@randomsample.de, theophilusx@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:36:35 +0800 > > > I don't know about "acceptable", sorry. It is definitely "endurable", > > but 18.8 seconds is annoyingly long for an optimized build of Emacs to > > do anything this simple. > > Ok. I pushed things a bit further. The latest Org main takes ~8sec to > generate Org manual. This _includes_ makeinfo call. Now, Org export > takes the same time with texinfo - ~4sec on my system. Thanks, this is awesome. Hope to see this speedup in the Emacs repository soon. > > Can you find any other single command that's part of building Emacs > > which takes a comparable amount of time in an optimized build? > > Optimized Emacs build takes >30 minutes on my system. Mainly because of > native compilation. The slowness of native-compilation is a long-standing bug report, so I'd rather not use that as a reference for acceptable speed. I meant to compare with other commands run by the build. > 40, 20, or 10 seconds spent generating Org documentation are > negligible for me. They aren't negligible, even in a native-compilation build, because they happen at the end, when all the rest was already done, and no large N in "-j N" of the Make command can help with that last long wait.