From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unboxed package manager Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 09:02:48 +0200 Message-ID: <83iles54rr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <57668895-8EEA-44F7-BD46-9CDFAA11FD2C@gmail.com> <08b5f766ddd9da754a86@heytings.org> <08b5f766ddf4b33993cd@heytings.org> <08b5f766dd896dfbed4c@heytings.org> <83jzza6xwk.fsf@gnu.org> <08b5f766dd0f765bb1a9@heytings.org> <83edpi6vl4.fsf@gnu.org> <08b5f766dd05e9469540@heytings.org> <838rfq6mi8.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg846e53.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: owinebar@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Masterson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 23 08:03:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEyn-0009Aq-SB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:03:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEy9-00025t-LM; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:02:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEy2-00022p-0I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:02:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfEy1-00041k-6i; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:02:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=x52i0MeFuRARMswdJamMcKDrbA7VFwfNw1QzoLPJvz4=; b=fq+DfIVljbQv ei4hrEFfdZFvU0TKqv8fNtrOTQaMzQ2jWsR/t2n+OCtgFn6kultpOnhw7pQQ/Rgkp2x4wNlLxcQcF bfc9EDiLADd1B8SiS7wYt8iPUoghBuCh8qJEZ/JUP6Yr3jDsWPpd3q9SUhGmUNf4yJaLFza4J7Xb2 aY3ha/V/eARYAYz8NL8t3HviWWWBfDSEYiTl8PwxRXCuaGWzz/munOQPvNswZ/w/BgNlwAYDrLxb7 4xosbihxreF/bVYvC/UBaApTTAgtV9KS/P2Km3jPuXEPEb2WRUUPKmBtDiDPFO+vOVgXYz8EZ2gM1 92DdVyICPyajN60ry3P6Rg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfExz-0001MZ-Mo; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:02:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from David Masterson on Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:44:32 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304734 Archived-At: > From: David Masterson > Cc: Lynn Winebarger , gregory@heytings.org, > casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:44:32 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > As I already said: you can simply load each package by its explicit > > absolute name. Poof! problem disappeared. > > So, the use case is managing packages in your .emacs over time. Yes, it does. And it should, IMNSHO. I actually don't believe that having hundreds of packages installed doesn't already cause non-trivial management issues, even with the loading time and the length of load-path put aside. You will have compatibility problems between packages, contradictions and clashes of names, key bindings, etc. So it isn't like what I suggest creates problems where previously there were none.