From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:51:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83il6xo62t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0lqoo5x.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83msweu76j.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7gungi1.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87lebtmt04.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18158"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 14:51:49 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1quuPN-0004WJ-Ff for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:51:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quuOn-0006pi-4d; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quuOe-0006jc-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quuOd-00052b-MC; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:51:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=FYAXvM1J0wXfQ1WuzvxCTZHm+MEtOgOJyc0ty5Nnc0g=; b=I5boMaux8Nfw ulJu/0Cgq4ys0qj7pMqqpLRiwj9JYIyNu9x35cLDOoU4s82A8PJ67jXFJC5J8az/tRKMHosYxbpeA ncHBAcC8BdYpNPgkhC8aUsaCK8nrxaN+sSqjp1YCEixDCzTYtNBFTw8BlOi786bVXlN99tYPe18de Y6MAbCWF0NjiwFv5y9QWfGgbJqD/gzcExnRjaOHNiGj+p3MzFCjMpnqZebh3Pghp4FvoJO5hjNDRL UdlVZ4Tnn1QQ06lr4uZeCObhHA/KH8FFcisPk+YlsgE2ioKhBJEjO0c5Xdk/yI2bg4ib2vIo4+C0B zHAzV/yGeL3aAeRbs/tDJQ==; In-Reply-To: <87lebtmt04.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:18:51 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311709 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:18:51 +0200 > > >From Eli we heard cl-lib adds bloat and fills up the global > namespace. From RMS and you we hear it makes code more > difficult to maintain. > > At the same time Eli says it is just another Elisp package and > library which should be treated as any other, i.e. it should > only be used and brought in when needed. This, of course, > I think everyone will agree on. So you get to decide who do you listen to. Choose wisely.