From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 10:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: <83il3zj6pt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83frz4mmef.fsf@gnu.org> <83frz3lxg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5pblumn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zfxbk6x0.fsf@gnu.org> <83v87zk57y.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12958"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gavinsmith0123@gmail.com, pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bela=EFche?= Original-X-From: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 09:29:34 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOCuz-0003Dk-KW for gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:29:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOCug-00019y-5j; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOCue-00019f-UI; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:29:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOCud-0004Ln-Ee; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:29:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=IbZ859/6kTAb5LIPh6aKKDzVy35FHNDSFh3bBe3fHNQ=; b=jv+7VXaumQqqFlShtcZI +nhvRympa3VqDPdYGDZnr4iZDGGhcAsEbX5VIhPc9gW+DONrgQyJ7hDrTkCgmINP8tZJkEU5xWnuc UXxJmvLxPJloKEjDbkJjZCh4izpBCkGyV3zd5DLzYfc1aZkmmomfW1CTUrdG4PVKk7gK92TNpKjNZ 4+j48Rce6PbfVvT/KnkyOZdm1G5HqNUFvQLDth9fvYj7o+mWpKHAbYZZdzhDe9sPUi5Wb6lXPWeHY RImcdiZsD7TMI1FbYpmEo/RySWiBktX6Jjhops6/P/T7TbvcY2+uQT/2nE88l39vlzaWNoAb1SdBj epq/ApC5jzmuuA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bela=EFche?= on Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:58:20 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-texinfo@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the Texinfo documentation system List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3416 gmane.emacs.devel:314893 Archived-At: > From: Vincent Belaïche > CC: "pertusus@free.fr" , > "jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org" > , "stefankangas@gmail.com" > , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , > "rms@gnu.org" , "help-texinfo@gnu.org" > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:58:20 +0000 > > Emacs info viewer inserts the word « see », even in French, before links, fortunately « see » does > not mean anything wrong in French, but still, this is a hassle. I wonder why this was done this way. We can insert the equivalent of "see" in the document's language (there's a TODO item for that), but to do it correctly we need to know the language of the manual. Up until now, makeinfo didn't leave any trace of the @documentlanguage directive in the Info file it produces, so Emacs couldn't DTRT there. AFAIU the development version of Texinfo has a change to propagate @documentlanguage into the Info file, so now the TODO item is doable as soon as the new version of Texinfo is released. > Also, a module like Calc finds function / command doc in the manual relying on some search, so this > way of doing should be generalized, and made language independant if for other module than Calc > people want to proceed this way, and if they want have translation of the manual. Not sure I understand this. Could you please provide the details about the search for functions in Calc?