From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info download service Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:08:38 +0200 Message-ID: <83il3yio7d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5EC9A02F-DB34-48B6-BD2D-CB9E89A385D0@traductaire-libre.org> <83r0iwuek9.fsf@gnu.org> <837cknvkrx.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0iuuacz.fsf@gnu.org> <83frz4mmef.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6jiy5n1.fsf@brilhante.top> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11039"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gavinsmith0123@gmail.com, pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Daniel Cerqueira Original-X-From: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 16:09:14 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOJ9l-0002dM-HA for gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 16:09:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOJ9c-00007E-Nh; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 10:09:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOJ9a-00005I-Uu; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 10:09:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOJ9Z-0005Np-9I; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 10:09:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gOO2oOVWrFkCUi/XisJsh1h6tylt+m0c0J/SOu/GSkA=; b=F8FIZQun1lPM OoBHAFsY7B6cksiwec3vrGz4hEuWk33AQfqeLihfufjVbDI53w1e7+1afOiSrHaVWNV/8t2WOepC5 aj2WrQsLF+THftDhdSxGlLFT021CUhO3rEpel+5tlR7b6bHbQ6N7ndp2XGiiYraXpwlDkyYhupoFU +KXbgkBRVmmNhlUQAiykhX0qICiQpiigk2aUGqOb5I1K5Dx573u6/eugRNTmCFg4ew8YmA/RDEyB1 fKhiXsaBULhyLRF4Dq0MrD4KO5poypcqoemnIgTMeCz7rSn4WQgpzXI0v5m/UYtBMQHfOLf+BTOq7 BDSPgkFYFBtpdel1P1lDxA==; In-Reply-To: <87h6jiy5n1.fsf@brilhante.top> (message from Daniel Cerqueira on Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:42:58 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-texinfo@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the Texinfo documentation system List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3418 gmane.emacs.devel:314907 Archived-At: > From: Daniel Cerqueira > Cc: Patrice Dumas , Eli Zaretskii , > jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, > help-texinfo@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:42:58 +0000 > > That is a Debian problem, not a Emacs problem. What is? (Since you haven't quoted the parts to which you are replying, I cannot guess what problem you are alluding to.) > My GNU/Linux-libre system does not have that problem. And that would > lead to centralization of manuals, and are we sick of centralization? The place of each manual is with the package it documents. Translated manuals should IMO also be part of the release tarball of the corresponding packages. > Also, it will begin as authors having to upload their manuals to a > central place, only to later that place having problems and having to > make some restrictions, and then new book places arise where you could > upload books with less restrictive policies than the central place, > resulting in people having to upload to various places, or else no one > will read their books. Also distributions stopped providing info books > (they only offer a link) since there is already a outside place that > hosts books for them. Leaving distributions without manuals, for a thing > that should have been dealt with at the Debian distribution level. Now > books can only be obtained by a JavaScript enabled web browser (for > security reasons) and those info book places are praised as an > "innovation of technology" by various magazines. The end. > > :-) :-) > > Things are good as they are. My best advice is to change from Debian to > Parabola. Indeed, AFAIK Debian has problems with Info manual (and FSF manuals in general), since they consider them to be non-free. But other distros don't have this problem, AFAIK.