From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:26:01 +0200 Message-ID: <83hab5en6u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvqqi09q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385051185 17253 80.91.229.3 (21 Nov 2013 16:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, asr@ufl.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 17:26:30 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjX5I-0005ub-8p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:26:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34061 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjX5H-0004ot-Qw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:26:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjX57-0004Tk-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:26:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjX52-00079d-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:26:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:43675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjX4w-00076z-AS; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:26:06 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MWM00200G7G3U00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:25:58 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MWM002YVGBA2M30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:25:58 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87fvqqi09q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165493 Archived-At: > From: Bastien > Cc: rms@gnu.org, ttn@gnu.org, asr@ufl.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:15:13 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > However, I don't understand why these features are put forward before > > much more basic ones. As I understand Richard's request, he would > > like to do everything we can do in Texinfo, but with WYSIWYG display, > > have a capability to export that in several formats, and be able to > > print it from Emacs. Why not start with these modest features? > > Please: it's time to give Org-mode a try. Thanks, but you could assume I knew about Org (and use it ;-). > C-x C-f ~/test.org RET > > Insert this string: > > ======================================================================== > * A headline > > A paragraphe. > ======================================================================== > > C-c C-e l o > > If (La)TeX is installed on the machine, this will open a PDF file. Sorry, but this is not WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG means you see the text you type in its final presentation form, or close to that. It does not mean you type into one buffer/window and see the result in another; that is a step backwards from user expectations, certainly nowadays. > I guess that'd suit most of Richard needs, but it's hard to tell. Visit etc/enriched.doc to get an idea. Of course, that file and enriched.el are dormant for the last 20 years, so don't expect too much. But it could be a starting point, and the display engine gained a lot of functionality that was missing in 1994.