From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Time to drop the pre-dump phase in the build?
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:49:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ha9bborj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140110191530.5772E38019B@snark.thyrsus.com>
> From: esr@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:15:30 -0500 (EST)
>
> (2) Even in the non-crossbuild case, it requires a whole lot of
> build-system hair we could otherwise do without.
Like what?
> (3) Back when I last looked at it (admittedly a long time ago)
> the dump code was both the largest single source of porting
> problems and a serious attractor of crash bugs.
Didn't hear about these in a while, perhaps several years.
> (4) We're presently buying some startup speed at the cost of a larger
> minimum working set.
That's not true: we only preload stuff that is almost immediately
necessary anyway. You'd have almost the same footprint before you
type anything in Emacs after it starts, even if you start "emacs -Q",
let alone a full-blown session that loads a .emacs.
In any case, without showing numbers for the footprint, and some
analysis of which files might not be needed right away, it's very hard
to have a rational discussion.
> If anybody wants to own this problem, comparative benchmarking seems
> like a good place to start. That is, hard numbers about the
> actual performance effects of pre-dumping. That'd head off a
> lot of arguments, anyway.
I suggest to file a feature request bug report, so that this (and any
followups) gets recorded
> (Why, yes. I *do* enjoy shaking up peoples' long-held assumptions.
> This wasn't obvious already?)
Let's have one revolution at a time, shall we?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-10 19:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-10 19:15 Time to drop the pre-dump phase in the build? Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-10 19:49 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-01-11 6:16 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-11 7:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-12 0:16 ` Nix
2014-01-12 3:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-12 3:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-11 7:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-10 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-10 20:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-10 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-10 20:20 ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-10 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-10 21:06 ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-10 22:19 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-10 22:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-11 0:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-10 23:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-11 0:07 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-11 2:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-11 3:37 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-11 5:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-11 5:30 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-11 16:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-11 20:13 ` Glenn Morris
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