From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unbalanced change hooks (part 2) [Documentation fix still remaining] Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:51:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83h9a3bpbt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83inv9hkjd.fsf@gnu.org> <83h9ashfgx.fsf@gnu.org> <831t1wharr.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810161821.GB3413@acm.fritz.box> <83wpjofttf.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810185735.GD3413@acm.fritz.box> <20160811112951.GA2154@acm.fritz.box> <7e1478b6-cf00-fcbf-8c24-43bdaa57e2b6@dancol.org> <415d1cca-f32c-624e-a4be-9aadcf8a0f17@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472482340 17005 195.159.176.226 (29 Aug 2016 14:52:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 29 16:52:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1beNv4-0003qu-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:52:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43933 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beNv2-0005Q8-8f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57009) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beNup-0005Pw-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beNui-0002ZA-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:51:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beNui-0002Z6-N8; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:51:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4303 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1beNug-0004ZW-T5; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:51:51 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:00:40 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206873 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:00:40 -0400 > > > I was under the impression that Eli's concern was with the effect of > > the b-c-f change itself, not with bugs that might be introduced by > > the change. > > I can't speak for Eli, but at least that's not my worry. I actually don't understand the difference: how is "the effect of the change itself" different from "bugs that might be introduced" by it. Sounds like the latter is a subset of the former? > > I'm confident that with enough review, the core code could be changed > > to make b-c-f and a-c-f symmetric without causing weird > > bugs elsewhere. > > Sure. But I see more benefits in changing the few places that > mistakenly rely on this pairing. Agreed.