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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com,
	phillip.lord@russet.org.uk
Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 09:09:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h98axk5z.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2vawq4lpg.fsf@newartisans.com> (message from John Wiegley on Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:09:15 -0700)

> From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:09:15 -0700
> 
> PL> I think it's decision time. I am happy to carry on a little further with
> PL> the package.el based approach that I have outlined, fixing the one
> PL> significant issue with it and then I will stop. If you don't want to go
> PL> this way, that's fine.

Sorry, I don't understand the kind of decision that is being
requested.  I understand that one alternative is that you "carry on a
little further" with your approach, although I'm vague about the
details of that, or what is your goal.  But the other alternative is
entirely unclear to me.  What is it?

> At this time, I don't want to go "full package.el".  However, I'd like to
> include it, since it's key to how users interact with ELPA-based packages.

I don't think I understand what does "full package.el" mean.  However,
package.el is already included, it's in lisp/emacs-lisp/.

> I think Eli said it best:
> 
> EZ> We need to adapt package.el to the new needs. It was not written with
> EZ> these goals in mind, so it needs to learn new tricks. Throwing it away is
> EZ> not acceptable, but neither is blindly accepting its current assumptions,
> EZ> which were not designed for the use case we are discussing.
> 
> So let's not move to "directory per package", but let's do support "properly
> upgrading a package that came with the distribution".

That's obviously fine with me ;-)  I just am not sure this is one of
the alternatives that Phillip considers.

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-18  6:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20160916203416.8DF2F220166@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-09-16 22:43   ` [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Stefan Monnier
2016-09-17  7:41     ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-17 16:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-17 21:25         ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-18 16:15           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-18 18:33             ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-17 21:52     ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 13:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-18 18:36         ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-18 19:45         ` John Wiegley
2016-09-18 22:59           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-19  8:48             ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-19 14:11               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-19 16:00                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-19 16:36                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-21 20:26                     ` John Wiegley
2016-09-22 12:54                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-22 15:19                         ` John Wiegley
2016-09-23 14:55                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-23 16:31                             ` John Wiegley
2016-09-26 16:28                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-26 19:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-27 16:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-28 15:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-29  9:00                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-29 15:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-29 16:38                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-09-30 10:43                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 11:20                                               ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 12:39                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 11:56                                               ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 12:34                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 12:41                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 13:24                                                   ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 16:17                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 20:02                                                       ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-03 12:32                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-03 16:16                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-05  6:28                                                           ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-05 15:23                                                             ` Drew Adams
2016-10-07 16:15                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 14:58                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-10-09 20:30                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-07 16:11                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 10:43                                                               ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-09 20:17                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 14:58                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-10-08 17:35                                                                 ` Colin Baxter
2016-10-09 20:20                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-09 20:19                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-09 21:35                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-10-12 14:02                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 15:24                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-10-08 19:40                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 20:25                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-10  3:03                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 13:53                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 16:29                                                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 10:40                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-13 17:14                                                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 18:21                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-13 18:48                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14  8:11                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-05  7:25                                                           ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-07 16:29                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-08 10:01                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 10:57                                                                 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 11:21                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 11:41                                                                     ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 12:04                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 13:33                                                                         ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-08 14:31                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-09 20:42                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-10  6:27                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 14:07                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-12 16:30                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 10:47                                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-13 17:14                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 21:54                                                                                   ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-13 22:09                                                                                     ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-13 22:29                                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14  6:55                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14  8:25                                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14  9:55                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 17:41                                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 18:11                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14  8:23                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14  9:15                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14  8:20                                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14  8:49                                                                                       ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-14  9:25                                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-14  9:52                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 13:51                                                                                         ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-14 14:13                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 15:12                                                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-14 15:22                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-14 16:47                                                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15 12:01                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 12:22                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 13:34                                                                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-15 14:33                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 14:53                                                                                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 15:21                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:52                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 11:11                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 13:33                                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:47                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 16:43                                                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 17:36                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 18:48                                                                                                                           ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-18 19:15                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19  7:51                                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19  8:28                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19  9:31                                                                                                                                   ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19  9:42                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19  9:51                                                                                                                                       ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 10:25                                                                                                                                         ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 15:19                                                                                                                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 19:21                                                                                                                                             ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 20:24                                                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 20:57                                                                                                                                                 ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 22:35                                                                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20  9:42                                                                                                                                                     ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-20  7:22                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 15:14                                                                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 17:59                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 15:09                                                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 15:26                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 16:12                                                                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 17:40                                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-19 18:59                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-19 19:57                                                                                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 20:32                                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-19 22:38                                                                                                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20  7:25                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 20:41                                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-19 21:17                                                                                                                                               ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 21:25                                                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-20 10:01                                                                                                                                                   ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 22:52                                                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20 18:05                                                                                                                                               ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 18:04                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 19:47                                                                                                                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20  7:21                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 18:26                                                                                                                                   ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 18:51                                                                                                                                     ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 19:24                                                                                                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19 20:13                                                                                                                                         ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-20  7:17                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  6:51                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 19:33                                                                                                                                       ` Alain Schneble
2016-10-19 20:13                                                                                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-19 21:56                                                                                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-19 23:03                                                                                                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-20  8:35                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-20  6:35                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 17:18                                                                                                             ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-18 10:54                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 18:54                                                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-19  8:01                                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 17:08                                                                                                           ` Achim Gratz
2016-10-15 17:18                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:59                                                                                                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 11:12                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 13:37                                                                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:48                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 14:59                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 23:09                                                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-18  6:09                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-10-18 13:01                                                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:54                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 16:59                                                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 17:46                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19  7:54                                                                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 18:08                                                                                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-19  7:59                                                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-18 14:04                                                                                                       ` Andy Moreton
2016-10-15 11:51                                                                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-15 12:19                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 11:48                                                                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-09 20:38                                                                 ` [Emacs-diffs] " Phillip Lord
2016-10-10  6:23                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-08 10:25                                                               ` Alain Schneble
2016-09-30 13:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 12:17                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 13:06                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 13:33                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-30 16:22                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 17:30                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-03 12:33                                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-10-03 16:13                                                   ` John Wiegley
2016-09-29 16:53                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-09-29 17:06                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-09-29 17:13                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-09-30 10:49                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 14:20                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-09-30 16:25                                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-30 10:44                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-21 20:42                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 12:49                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-22 17:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-23 14:49                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-09-23 15:36                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-09-26 16:23                             ` Phillip Lord

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