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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Oddities with dynamic modules
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:25:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h8bwt1on.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkQ7dZ=tL015XRpoUQfS81JJGr2fHhLZ_Lw-=92Ag=t6-A@mail.gmail.com> (message from Philipp Stephani on Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:12:05 +0100)

> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:12:05 +0100
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> > How is that relevant?  Equality predicates are used very frequently
> > when dealing with Lisp objects; 'eq' is not different from others in
> > that respect.
> 
> I don't recollect the reasoning, but Daniel stated that "eq" is
> strictly necessary, so you might want to ask him.
> [...]
> > > It is *mostly* minimal. A *completely* minimal API would not even have
> > > integer and floating-point conversion functions, as those can be
> > > written using the string functions. But that would be far less simple
> > > and robust.
> > > "eq" and "is_not_nil" are special in that they implement access to
> > > fundamental object properties and can't fail, so they are fundamental
> > > enough to deserve an entry in the module table.
> >
> > I cannot follow this reasoning, sorry.  It sounds like you are saying
> > that the decision what to implement and what not justifies itself
> > because it's there.  All I can say is that as someone who wrote a
> > couple of lines of code in Emacs, the stuff that is in the API and the
> > omissions look quite arbitrary to me.
> 
> Please see Daniel's original reasoning for the design.

I asked the questions after reading that, so please believe me that I
didn't find answers to my questions there.

> Mostly the first sentence "We want an ABI powerful enough to let C
> modules interact with Emacs, but decoupled enough to let the Emacs
> core evolve independently."

That means a judgment call, and I was questioning the judgment.
Saying that someone made a call doesn't explain why the decision was
what it was.




  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-21 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-11 18:12 Oddities with dynamic modules Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-12 14:29 ` Kaushal Modi
2019-02-10 20:23 ` Philipp Stephani
2019-02-11 15:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-11 16:04     ` Yuri Khan
2019-03-21 20:04       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-21 20:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21 20:32           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-21 20:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21 20:51               ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-21 20:12     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-21 20:25       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-03-21 20:34         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-21 20:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21 20:58             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-03-22  1:26               ` creating unibyte strings (was: Oddities with dynamic modules) Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22  7:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:33                   ` creating unibyte strings Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:23                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:54                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 14:51                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2019-03-24 17:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25  1:47                               ` Elias Mårtenson
2019-03-25  3:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-26 10:23                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2019-03-26 11:12                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22  8:20               ` Oddities with dynamic modules Eli Zaretskii

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