From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:40:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83h7wm9uy7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83k11ldpxs.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5dnun.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wpdms7.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> <0d678371-2df7-519e-5ec0-7e26bfa6ea34@gmail.com> <11dff979-002e-e03e-2e3e-cdb09fcc409e@yandex.ru> <8017be3d-a4ed-61eb-9bdb-9a95c77a0698@gmail.com> <3adf65ae-fd0d-4fee-adfd-e11d39a148fc@yandex.ru> <01e211df-acfb-fb8a-eedc-7cb439b64cd8@yandex.ru> <57491476-b7d1-ed1e-9eaf-bc45db607ae8@yandex.ru> <835zd2bf2h.fsf@gnu.org> <1c43f78b-2bc5-8c81-4a57-ba63bb721c85@yandex.ru> <83wo5i9z21.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="125114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 20:41:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYDMf-000WSo-FK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:41:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43486 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYDMe-0004FR-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:41:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYDM1-0003ox-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:40:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYDM0-0005qc-Eh; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1718 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYDLj-0002ft-R2; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:40:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 11 May 2020 14:05:57 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249860 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , rms@gnu.org, cpitclaudel@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:05:57 -0400 > > The way I see it, currently Emacs de-facto recommends to most of its > users to add MELPA to their `package-archives`. No, we do nothing of the kind. Just because everybody and their dog know what MELPA is and how to configure Emacs to use it, doesn't mean _we_ told them. Exactly like we don't "recommend" using MS-Windows, although quite a few of Emacs users do, witness the discussions on Reddit as one example. Anything that Emacs doesn't do OOTB the users who need that will go out and find a way of doing it. But it doesn't mean we "recommended" that, it just means we don't (yet) have a solution for that problem OOTB. > Now, I actually think MELPA is pretty good (modulo the few packages in > it which end up recommending/advertizing proprietary tools), so maybe > a better solution is to be honest about this de-facto situation and > actually add MELPA to the default value of `package-archives`. Why in the world is that important? Configuring Emacs to work with MELPA is exceedingly simple, and the way to do that for any random SITE is in the manual. Why would anyone need that we say the M-word?? > WDYT? I still don't understand the motivation. I cannot understand why we need to argue and quarrel so much on behalf of some site about which everyone already knows. Why does it matter to anyone that the word "MELPA" is written in some place in our docs? It all seems a waste of breath to me.