From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:04:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38406"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 13:10:44 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o14RY-0009mL-ES for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:10:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40010 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14RX-00019X-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14MW-0006H9-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:05:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:32888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14MV-0007lX-9T; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:05:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4Cs9TDd2AN8E4x3bQgJiucEqAI7ucy2Xpt4bgPGzWFQ=; b=lG7FJEaeVrdR YLsNWR9tFNSlGdDlgnazY/qYfQXDcHO4Ns1qTkrVZ2dQ3SHP2kc+9su+gsgF8gfXNzrta+Z1TBBKD 9Qmq7IN1UUTB8R8Ap28oHbqWBF9lQDL4hjGo1J5xPY6VYg6QdEJWkldISki9uqJ6R41+8HdgyFF5r 8+V3TZx2GvYptpNx1hERjz7C5wdiu6M/YaGkpkdtxgaHLAWQAir0RuyaiE48NAFMczr3nj617j+DZ iIaubzPIi14dGMUoGq235YpGC0z3rqoHH+KUZ51UQbD0uO3pq4gSZdQSxPAAAMa+Hy5mq3dirX83E ggFy2kg4Labv5ehcy3J7iw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2036 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14M6-0004Lr-Lx; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:05:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:45:02 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291166 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: rms@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:45:02 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I don't think the slowness of processing nowadays is the crucial issue > >> here. Computers are much faster now than in the 1990s. It used > >> to take a long time for TeX to process the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. > >> Now it is perhaps 10 times as fast. > > > > The Emacs Lisp Reference manual gets processed in about 15 seconds > > here. So 2.5 minutes required to process org.org into org.texi is > > quite annoying. > > To be fair, 2.5 minutes are likely caused by unoptimized Emacs build > because Org has to use the same unoptimized Emacs executable. As an Emacs maintainer, I must have the development version built without optimizations in at least one branch, because I need to be able to debug the latest Emacs code at all times. So for me (and I presume other frequent contributors to the development) building and using an unoptimized binary is a must, part of my daily routine. An optimized build of Emacs produces org.texi in about 30 to 40 seconds here, and that is also quite annoying for a production build. Lars recently made significant changes in our build scripts and support code because he didn't like much shorter delays. We build Emacs many times a week, so these delays add up. > So, while some generic improvements can likely be made on Org side, do > not expect orders of magnitude improvements. Any improvement will be welcome, thank you.