From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 2ef6f943abd: Add option to control default outlining in 'C-h b' Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 21:00:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83h6t3vo47.fsf@gnu.org> References: <168233653969.13461.3810563138120581789@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230424114219.F2AEAC0004A@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <877cu1bf6q.fsf@gmail.com> <834jp5xn7v.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5ywn4qj.fsf@web.de> <83r0s8wjcf.fsf@gnu.org> <87leig9xm8.fsf@gmail.com> <838regwcnt.fsf@gnu.org> <87fs8o9spe.fsf@gmail.com> <835y9kw5ix.fsf@gnu.org> <86h6t3rjl8.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83leifvqsz.fsf@gnu.org> <86wn1zoofr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26502"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, orontee@gmail.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 25 20:00:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1prMy7-0006l4-0h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:00:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prMx7-0000CB-K9; Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:59:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prMx5-0000Bm-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:59:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prMx5-0003UY-9j; Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:59:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=DsPCvGmZDav9JLqZ10HYLTJrB+XdJqYVwONHoua7kVk=; b=M1a6JpHL/grr P3W+RHho6AhOmPQofqaq4VwDwBrqt3jYDBShOPtH7Qz2Hm69bJU3FACqGCRmWCo5489h4jnyqWoMF 12qGyL4OnZUh8wyq2YL6arkPi2r6Fw57839qSPzf/486M07v4Ral1oBYcZeeHvlNBLnHFr0Kfv6HF kigxTEcPy6xyZuhDFnYZD4zRpATHpqdP4Jhq/d3PdwXRCXgAVMUD9HYiurtnYuVALtHJbhd0xMAco JudDnpXmB1S0i5WSOUqwZS9dAZiwFw4vhwoySYHN5WpS2lDtXT+FA0VFiXP/T+IJ22YxrW3Tw6HIS /0qV03kDVn/WhfY8njhcgg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prMx4-0005lW-GE; Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:59:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86wn1zoofr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:35:04 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305666 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > orontee@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:35:04 +0300 > > >> I guess the decision was delegated to the users > >> because there is a choice what to do with the outline. > >> Beside 'outline-hide-entry', there is also 'outline-show-branches' > >> used by 'subtree-is-long' and 'subtree-has-long-lines'. > >> > >> So I see no reason to remove 'custom-function'. > >> What could be done instead is to add a new choice > >> 'custom-predicate'. > > > > The suggestion is not to remove custom-function. The suggestion is to > > require that the function returns a boolean, to mean whether to hide > > or not to hide a heading, instead of requesting that the function > > itself hides/unhides the headings. > > > > What is the purpose of requesting a custom function to actually > > hide/unhide the headings, i.e. to know enough about the structure and > > internal details of Outline mode to do its job? > > How the user would be able to use 'outline-show-branches' > in the custom function, and not to use 'outline-hide-entry'? Sorry, I don't understand the question and its relevance. Maybe Robert does.