From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4e23cd0 4/5: * mail/rmail.el (rmail-show-message-1): When displaying a mime message, Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 10:36:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83fv89g3dl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <552130FE.1010101@yandex.ru> <83mw2mn2no.fsf@gnu.org> <5521359D.2000509@yandex.ru> <83fv8emvgq.fsf@gnu.org> <55219139.8040507@yandex.ru> <83oan2l4pk.fsf@gnu.org> <5521B811.8070603@yandex.ru> <83d23hlmia.fsf@gnu.org> <20150407165131.GA2600@acm.fritz.box> <552486A4.2020803@yandex.ru> <5525D65C.8090303@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428564992 27627 80.91.229.3 (9 Apr 2015 07:36:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 07:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 09 09:36:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yg70d-0004uk-2a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:36:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56610 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yg70X-0000tj-Am for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32776) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yg70I-0000tR-LY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yg70F-0006NX-Cz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:35:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yg70F-0006NK-59; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:35:55 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMJ001003QELL00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 10:35:53 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMJ001MH3RTKN10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 10:35:53 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5525D65C.8090303@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185187 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 04:31:08 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On 04/08/2015 09:19 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > If you love complexity for complexity's sake, Git and Emacs will offer > > you plenty. The difference is, in Emacs you can learn certain > > complexity when you find it worth while, and ignore the rest. In Git > > you must learn the complexity to do even the simplest things. > > Nonsense, nobody loves complexity. I like power and transparency. You are responding to the irrelevant part of the issue: the 1st sentence, which in fact says that Git and Emacs are quite similar for those who love complexity (they are also similar for those who like power). The relevant part of the issue is everything beyond the 1st sentence: it says that with Git you _must_ learn some of the complexity just to do the simplest things a project member is required to do. > You can ignore Emacs's complexity if you're okay with giving up > features, but then it becomes inferior in many respects to other, > "modern" editors, which arguably offer more features on lower levels of > complexity. It is still a useful text editor. With Git, unless you know how to resolve pull/push conflicts, you cannot do the simplest thing. And that's the difference; I don't understand how you can deny it.