From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:20:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83fuvzo3v1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <87fuw090k7.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83y49spuxt.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov4achc.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <83r3fkpb3u.fsf@gnu.org> <8337rzpps8.fsf@gnu.org> <56E06A61.4040508@cs.ucla.edu> <83oaano5n3.fsf@gnu.org> <56E0753A.9@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457551231 3159 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 19:20:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 19:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, i.lohmar@gmail.com, johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 20:20:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adjeb-0006sy-1n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:20:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43638 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adjea-0001Rm-BL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:20:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43331) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adjeW-0001RZ-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:20:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adjeV-0005ki-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:20:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adjeR-0005ir-7t; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:20:07 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4201 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adjeQ-0002E7-8n; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:20:06 -0500 In-reply-to: <56E0753A.9@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:10:50 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201294 Archived-At: > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, i.lohmar@gmail.com, johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:10:50 -0800 > > > 3. We need a convenient way to both create and access this information. > > On 03/09/2016 10:41 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Paul Eggert > >> > >> The coreutils-like approach that I recently proposed should satisfy > >> requirements (2) through (7). See: > >> > >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-03/msg00391.html > > It doesn't satisfy (3). > > Sure it does. There are lots of ways to look at Git logs, ranging from > plain "git log" through VC commands through running "make gen-ChangeLog" > and looking at the resulting ChangeLog file. The point is the "convenient" part. > > it requires the amendments to be > > in a form that is tedious to produce and error-prone. > > It's not that bad, and it's good enough. True, it will discourage minor > tidying-up of old entries (reindenting and the like), but that's a good > thing. We should be spending our scarce development resources in more > important areas. It simply won't work, certainly not better than what we have now. Corrections should be made of plain text, otherwise no one except yourself will do that (or maybe not even that, since you see this as a waste).