From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:12:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83fuvyn6w8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56E0C034.20107@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457593958 24838 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 07:12:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 08:12:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adulr-0002Jm-JF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:12:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46663 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adulq-0001pq-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:12:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aduld-0001pf-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:12:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adulY-0005kB-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:12:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adulY-0005k7-2T; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:12:12 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4869 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adulW-0001bX-UC; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:12:11 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Tom on Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201355 Archived-At: > From: Tom > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC) > > Evgeny Panasyuk gmail.com> writes: > > > > > 10.03.2016 0:32, Tim Cross : > > > Emacs has an audience/user base, but to believe that equals the set of > > > all people who use editors is a mistake. Some people just want a very > > > simple editor which is easy to use and only does basic editing - there > > > are plenty of these editors. > > > > IMO larger user base, including "casual" users, would not harm Emacs. > > > > Indeed. Therefore the tutorial for new users should emphasize features > which are better in emacs compared to other tools. > > C-p and co. are not better, they are just different and not very > ergonomical either. Why are we continue to argue? The tutorial clearly states that arrow keys can be used, and I don't think users of today's computers need to be taught how to use the arrow keys. So what's exactly the problem?