From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:14:20 +0300 Message-ID: <83fucg99cj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83tw12cocz.fsf@gnu.org> <83wp5xat6i.fsf@gnu.org> <2d035e42-006b-e76e-2b3f-75f2dfd87bb7@taydin.org> <58ac4c14-3f26-4b21-806a-aa2326ce3d2b@default> <98f114b6-191e-43f9-b505-9362b9382508@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503594887 21395 195.159.176.226 (24 Aug 2017 17:14:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: radon.neon@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 24 19:14:43 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviN-0005NZ-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:14:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49604 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviU-0005Yb-FK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44295) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviO-0005YS-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviK-0008CF-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42671) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviJ-0008C8-TO; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4498 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dkviI-0005t6-KW; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:39 -0400 In-reply-to: <98f114b6-191e-43f9-b505-9362b9382508@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217774 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > If the rationale for the decision was only that you want to treat package.el as a core part of Emacs rather than > as an extension then that's a bad rationale. You don't need to turn something on just because it is a core part > of Emacs. I don't really understand what this argument is about. The call to package-initialize does nothing at all, unless you installed some packages with package.el. So it is still an opt-in feature, because the user must decide to install packages for it to do anything.