From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 05:33:46 +0300 Message-ID: <83ftcfm7p1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> <83v9lesapw.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbms9m8.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72qs4z2.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo5uqoh5.fsf@gnu.org> <838si9qf7s.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72nojgx.fsf@gnu.org> <270A2969-3B28-40D8-B84B-4B554974C435@traduction-libre.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="66610"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 04:34:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnQA-000HDS-Ro for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 04:34:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33398 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnQ9-0002NL-TI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:34:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36994) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnPR-0001wK-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:34:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnPO-0004Aa-4u; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:34:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1382 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnPG-0004Ow-Fm; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:34:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <270A2969-3B28-40D8-B84B-4B554974C435@traduction-libre.org> (message from Jean-Christophe Helary on Tue, 5 May 2020 10:37:50 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248925 Archived-At: > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:37:50 +0900 > Cc: Richard Stallman , > Emacs developers , > joaotavora@gmail.com, > Dmitry Gutov , > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > >> Nobody claimed that it was *all* we want to see or have. Quite the contrary. > > > > Maybe we are in two different discussions, then. Because the above > > clearly says: "this page (ergoemacs) is much simpler to use & learn > > from than this page (ELisp)". IOW, it sees the ergoemacs page as a > > better _replacement_ for the ELisp manual. > > No. This information comes in the context of *adding* some discoverability to current emacs. What *this* thread is all about. Nobody is discussing the lack of usefulness of the emacs manual or its replacement by another data set. That's not my interpretation of the discussion, sorry.