Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Philippe Vaucher]

Hello,

Richard (maybe Eli too), I think in the past emails you complained
about not having time to know about the Emacs world outside
emacs-devel.

I'll take this opportunity to present you what happens out there, and
the incredible people involved that contribute significantly to make
Emacs the popular editor it is.

Magnars Sven (https://github.com/magnars):

- Author of http://emacsrocks.com, a serie of popular youtube videos
showing how awesome Emacs is. These videos are probably why a large
amount of people "made the switch" to Emacs, either from vim or
SublimeText.
- Author of s.el & dash.el: both libraries used by countless package
authors. Made developing in Emacs "sexy" for a lot of users.
- Author of multiple-cursors.el: multiple cursors editing in Emacs.
Even if not a new idea this was pretty revolutionary and it was soon
highly requested in the vim community who did a similar package.

Jonas Bernoulli (https://github.com/tarsius):

- Main maintainer of magit. Magit is probably one of the main reasons
I'm using Emacs.
- Author of forge, library for interacting with github/gitlab/etc.
- Author of transient, library for presenting interactive popups.

Bozhidar Batsov (https://github.com/bbatsov):

- Author of projectile, a project management library for Emacs. The
most popular project-management library out there.
- Author of CIDER (Clojure Interactive Development Environment).

Steve Purcell (https://github.com/purcell):

- One of the main maintainers of MELPA. Gave countless hours reviewing
packages and enforcing conventions (prefixes, etc).
- Author of exec-path-from-shell, a very used library for OSx Emacs users.

Matus Goljer (https://github.com/Fuco1):

- Author of smartparens (minor mode for Emacs that deals with parens
pairs and tries to be smart about it).
- Auhor of dired-hacks, useful utilities for dired.

Johan Andersson (https://github.com/rejeep):

- Author of f.el (file manipulation api similar to s.el)
- Cask, ecukes (testing)

Vasilij Schneidermann (https://github.com/wasamasa?tab=repositories):

- Author of a lot of useful packages.
- Author of https://emacshorrors.com, a blog reviewing atrocities from
the Emacs source, resulting sometimes in patches.

Tim Visher (https://github.com/timvisher):

- Made Emacs equivalent of "vimgolf" (https://www.vimgolf.com) videos
to show how the same challenges would look in Emacs.

This list is not exhaustive (feel free to enhance it). There are many
more people out there giving countless hours in order to make Emacs
better. I'm sorry for those who are not mentionned, this list is
pretty arbitrary but I have to stop at some point.

Everyone "out there" that uses Emacs a lot knows about these people.
We could maybe say they are "rockstars" of the Emacs "general public"
ecosystem. Those of us who went a bit further and dealt with copyright
assignments and the mailing list also know the "rockstars" of the
mailing list.

With this email my goal is for the "emacs-devel" ecosystem to realise
a bit that a lot is happening outside, and that these people usually
know about you but sometimes it looks like it's not the case the other
way around. I hope I am mistaken and that many of you already know
about these people/libraries and amazing work done out there.

Kind regards,
Philippe

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 14:03:14 +0200
> 
> With this email my goal is for the "emacs-devel" ecosystem to realise
> a bit that a lot is happening outside, and that these people usually
> know about you but sometimes it looks like it's not the case the other
> way around. I hope I am mistaken and that many of you already know
> about these people/libraries and amazing work done out there.

FTR, I knew about all of the people you mentioned (and then some) and
their contributions/projects, and I think we are fortunate to have
them working on "Emacs at large".

Thanks.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 08.05.2020 15:03, Philippe Vaucher wrote:
> Magnars Sven (https://github.com/magnars):
> 
> - Author ofhttp://emacsrocks.com, a serie of popular youtube videos
> showing how awesome Emacs is. These videos are probably why a large
> amount of people "made the switch" to Emacs, either from vim or
> SublimeText.

One should mention that we link to his videos from the Emacs home page now.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Stefan Kangas]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> FTR, I knew about all of the people you mentioned (and then some) and
> their contributions/projects, and I think we are fortunate to have
> them working on "Emacs at large".

Eli is doing a good job at being active in "the community" while
balancing the enormous amount of work he is doing here.

Here's one example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/a6ati0/help_me_be_hopefully_an_emacs_maintainer/

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Philippe Vaucher]

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On Fri, May 8, 2020, 15:06 Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:

And of course Dmitry Gutov (https://github.com/dgutov), maintainer of the
popular packages like company, robe and others ;-)

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Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 09:15:15 -0400
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Eli is doing a good job

That remains to be seen, but thank you for your kind words.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 08.05.2020 16:56, Philippe Vaucher wrote:
> And of course Dmitry Gutov (https://github.com/dgutov), maintainer of 
> the popular packages like company, robe and others ;-)

Thanks, it's nice to be mentioned. :-)

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Philippe Vaucher]

> > With this email my goal is for the "emacs-devel" ecosystem to realise
> > a bit that a lot is happening outside, and that these people usually
> > know about you but sometimes it looks like it's not the case the other
> > way around. I hope I am mistaken and that many of you already know
> > about these people/libraries and amazing work done out there.
>
> FTR, I knew about all of the people you mentioned (and then some) and
> their contributions/projects, and I think we are fortunate to have
> them working on "Emacs at large".

Great! As I said in my introduction this was mainly for Richard.

Maybe my message will turn out to be useless, but I sometimes get the
impression there's a disconnect between emacs-devel and the Emacs
users community so I tried to show that what happens "outside" (sorry
cannot find a better term) is huge in terms of investment.

Philippe

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Arthur Miller]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> FTR, I knew about all of the people you mentioned (and then some) and
>> their contributions/projects, and I think we are fortunate to have
>> them working on "Emacs at large".
>
> Eli is doing a good job at being active in "the community" while
> balancing the enormous amount of work he is doing here.
>
> Here's one example:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/a6ati0/help_me_be_hopefully_an_emacs_maintainer/
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Kangas
Seing amount of time and engagement Eli puts in, I sincerely hope it is
full-time paid developer by FSF! 

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Philippe Vaucher
>  <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>,  rms@gnu.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 13:38:30 +0200
> 
> Seing amount of time and engagement Eli puts in, I sincerely hope it is
> full-time paid developer by FSF! 

Of course not!  We are all volunteers here.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Arthur Miller]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Sincerely you should be #1 payed developer in Free software world. I am
deeply impressed (have been for years) by seen amount of work you do or
have done in Emacs and other free software (mingw right?). You do more
then fulltime just here on Emacs. You are just incredible. At least in
my eyes.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com,  philippe.vaucher@gmail.com,  rms@gnu.org,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:36:31 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> Sincerely you should be #1 payed developer in Free software world. I am
> deeply impressed (have been for years) by seen amount of work you do or
> have done in Emacs and other free software (mingw right?). You do more
> then fulltime just here on Emacs. You are just incredible. At least in
> my eyes.

Thanks.

Actually, my contribution to Emacs is rather modest in comparison.
There are others who did and continue doing much more.

Re: Presentation of the Emacs community outside emacs-devel

[andres.ramirez]

+1
>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:

    Arthur> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: Sincerely you should
    Arthur> be #1 payed developer in Free software world. I am deeply
    Arthur> impressed (have been for years) by seen amount of work you
    Arthur> do or have done in Emacs and other free software (mingw
    Arthur> right?). You do more then fulltime just here on Emacs. You
    Arthur> are just incredible. At least in my eyes.