From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: decision on moving core packages to ELPA; also move to obsolete? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 22:16:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83ft46akpm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86a6ugnopl.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83im94b17m.fsf@gnu.org> <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg86apqb.fsf@gnu.org> <865z52oqfp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11137"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: daniele@grinta.net, stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 21:17:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGlg-0002nQ-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:17:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGlf-0003Wr-Ds for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:17:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGkW-00032U-Qz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:16:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58605) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGkW-000381-Hp; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:16:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4216 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGkV-00009j-VF; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:16:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:57:41 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260923 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , daniele@grinta.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:57:41 -0500 > > >> Doesn't package.el install stuff under ~/.emacs.d/elpa/ ? > > yes. > >> > If so, what happens with installed Lisp files under /usr/share/ ? > > They stay there, but ~/.emacs.d/elpa is earlier in load-path. > > Not only that: we could very easily setup the bundled packages such that > they are only added to `load-path` by `package-activate`, so if a newer > version is in ~/.emacs.d/elpa the bundled version won't even make it to > the `load-path` (contrary to what happens with the packages hosted in > Core like `python.el` or Org). So now we are talking about changing the basic logic in normal-top-level-add-subdirs-to-load-path and normal-top-level-add-to-load-path? And maybe in subdirs.el as well? We can, of course, do any or all of those, but we do need a comprehensive picture of what needs to be done and how this stuff will work when done, in all the relevant use cases. What we have now is a long list of issues and a longer list of ideas how to solve them. Like I said, a lot of loose ends that needs to be tied. We are not ready. Not yet.