From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:37:55 +0200 Message-ID: <83fsqgrhb0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a6grx1o9.fsf@gnu.org> <834k6zwvi1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7azilmu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfujh4a2.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dbuhm6j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tueyg5gc.fsf@yahoo.com> <83y24asbh4.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuexqh7w.fsf@gnu.org> <9c04ef31-96e0-1874-7385-633435a28b5f@yandex.ru> <83lf08rk27.fsf@gnu.org> <87o854swp2.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2090"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 25 13:39:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n16Kr-0000Ja-Ge for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:39:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44630 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16Kp-0001zu-Gd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 07:39:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16Iy-0001GN-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 07:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=48350 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16Ix-0001mI-Qc; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 07:37:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=P+h5LONHVwfQmWRDIucrHg2QHWOptThUHl1GgFv1cIE=; b=MHGK2NRYXDX4+/3hdL5d s2HQyW9yil5GGNCpWWnv65+eVUMsI1qLEIOS0zbq62ApTcyN+UGaZxD6Ubvt2xEeN2oB0Ajpb87SX kN+4DcRkJWSBP1n5N5zF7yrDZCIf8Wu8OBXNLNfp8M7jT0Wf7l2R5/4uzKZ6RTeP4y/RlxvHoIPLk /s88YOijpGbHY2hHtj6qqu0QaXC4pGtW4M+X6N8HKW865xyaHy3HPWOU4Sr1hB2hBkS0O+cApzt8W J1GIG/cxeis//aEG5ZhNUQsvEvqzDbWBC+H9QvTZY56kn6HtCRd8NBsoqueb5qqJlDYDOz3doGTyN AgmTgto2bmbX6g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2836 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16Ix-0005Mw-No; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 07:37:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o854swp2.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:20:09 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283205 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:20:09 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So you'd suggest to the OP to develop the software in the hope that > > all of the above will happen? And if it doesn't, just agree for the > > results to be abandoned? The OP would have to agree to that. > > Why oh why you don't just say "go ahead and we will look at your work > when you have something to show" ? I did -- but that was before I understood what was being proposed. The OP wanted assurance that the code will be accepted once done, and I cannot in good faith give him that, given what's being actually proposed. Doing so would be betraying the OP's trust, especially if eventually we don't like the results. > > And I fail to see how that solves the long-term maintenance problem, > > once we do accept the code. This happened in the past, more than > > once. > > Yes, because having a single, modern, sane, popular cross-platform > graphics library (let's say Skia, for instance) would make things much > worse than the current status-quo, with N entangled backends requiring > the participation of multiple experts every time a new feature is > implemented :-/ That's not what on the table, AFAIU. > To insist: the proposed system would have three characteristics: > > 1. Cross-platform (as the proposal's subject says) > > 2. Simplicity, compared to what we have now. > > 3. New graphical capabilities that will make possible new high-level > features. > > I don't know why you keep ignoring point 3, which is the most important, > and reduce the proposal to "oh, someone wants to add one more graphical > backend." I'm not ignoring anything. You, OTOH, ignore both what is being proposed and the rest of the discussion. In effect, you are talking about an entirely different proposal, one about which I said it _would_ make sense.