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> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:34:34 +0100 (CET)
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> > Custom should be understandable for everyone, and I don't see why it
> > isn't.
> 
> If you think it a perfect, finished and polished system, I am fearful of the
> damage you will do to both Emacs' code and community.

Not a kind response by any measure.

> > Same goes for `scroll-bar-mode', and so on.
> 
> I invite you to compare code of custom-set-variables and setq, for
> setting a single variable, and to see how ridiculous this defense is.

Neither is this.

Please in the future try to choose your words better.