From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 20:52:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83fsg4yeun.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87ill16t3a.fsf@gnus.org> <87edvp6nnf.fsf@gnus.org> <87a66d6lsw.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmf8yg9l.fsf@gnu.org> <87h70k6c3r.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30949"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 20:02:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPlq-0007oY-0z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 20:02:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPlo-0005Lo-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 14:02:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPc9-00078l-5c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPc8-0005g4-4I; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:52:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=v+q4USR7SmJfSR/VjF15yX4jyKT+LjY2A07WwUrdwNE=; b=U2HDyQkH3qgw 4zsEqRjQxXa9+TBg80MPcIaySJwwIeuk/IbttqPsnEz5k7g70N/ginghn6o8f7NMXzEJyQnM+7q1M wPSdDvDkTGDLpIlFs5XVj03QcDbzUawKaS3d4eRFVbESyBuVQTE2R6HUsvyDCFXeBqr+yc4b/uCjr 7eBvh5C7aQjsKhVw65+bx9E0AXGvjR51GHrd51kSlWssD0PdHmkZY32jr1ebtPyEu7SN5p/UgQ+WP lbCamtyySGhb22YpAjcU3C5lVBKIzA3nExFp1BKFcKmG+3KJ08QbX5tJtAKLT0SPskB0q4dhhwKCc rzbUxkupJ6KG31dQVQwt0w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2409 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPc7-0004Mk-DQ; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:52:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h70k6c3r.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 03 Oct 2022 19:39:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296777 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 19:39:04 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I think that entire changeset should be reverted. It is not well > > thought out, and ion some aspects downright dangerous. The > > environment variable is especially egregious: it will affect all the > > sub-process Emacsen as well, something that will bite users, a lesson > > we've learned long ago with the likes of EMACSLOADPATH. > > How is setting EMACS_INHIBIT_NATIVE_COMPILE dangerous? I just explained it, above. > > Such changes should not be installed without a great deal of careful > > thought and consideration of the different use cases. Which I tried > > to explain all the way, but apparently to deaf ears. > > The discussion has been going for apparently weeks no with no progress. "Weeks"? Boy, I guess time really flies when one's enjoying: the first message of this thread was posted less than a week ago: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-09/msg01911.html And it really started just 2 days ago: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-10/msg00015.html But whatever.