From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:18:25 +0300 Message-ID: <83fsfug75q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83czb1jrm3.fsf@gnu.org> <878rlo7on0.fsf@thornhill.no> <83o7uki5ol.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4c5g9j.fsf@thornhill.no> <87k057j7gn.fsf@yahoo.com> <8D3026E9-D8A4-46EC-816B-1F7A3458DC02@gmail.com> <87czaykj2o.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20842"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 09:51:36 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiA35-0005AD-Uz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:51:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiA34-00052M-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49696) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi9Wr-0000Kt-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55444) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi9Wq-0000ap-W0; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:18:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lAcA46uO8owGCqTg+rRU4GgTqoYvMtD65qT4ut6czfw=; b=mfGZAhg2zGJx PnEC61m1Av/woYhKWXQw9dyuhD9Otg47GpBw971loY8jSJNQ7YDpWxZ3ZNdumx5n07lE1Ejr6+Prl QTf52St5q7JDErCJCg/nFKRpfGk9qJkTFqFmlTuFINShiXesnNvWa64QTBVf4MpJZc6V22YQ+m0cd YCnwkt/Z435yDSStoC3+1DsbLRA/TYjhmi6Olb+ZvdunJ5Ozyd3oE4oUmExuoZd2hr0fDNb1t88mU ntxwUtpdh6C/rUXX3HMB7PV8We8VLqEZPhhKq3vvkDrSF5G/j987AqloJS0eVX8m4luT1zGqC3MsG XOObwspxjNIpeB+y31k2nQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3519 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oi9Wq-0006Tj-EX; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:18:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87czaykj2o.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:47:27 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297439 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Theodor Thornhill , Eli Zaretskii , > Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel , > jostein@kjonigsen.net > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:47:27 +0800 > > IMNHSO a text editor should be able to edit languages it supports > out-of-the-box, with only system libraries and what is in > emacs-28.2.tar.gz. That is about to happen, please read the other messages in this thread. But "able to edit languages" and "able to provide a reasonably modern support for those languages" aren't necessarily the same. Like rendering complex scripts, for example: Emacs supports Arabic, but without HarfBuzz display of Arabic is illegible to Arabic and Farsi speakers. Does that strike you as a problem? If not, why not? > There is no precedent for requiring a third party library that users > have to build themselves to edit text comfortably. There is, actually, see above. > Optional dependencies such as librsvg, libxml and gnutls are not > precedent here - all three are widely available, and relate to features > that are orthogonal to text editing. GnuTLS, at least, is no longer optional: most servers will reject clear-text connections. TLS is nowadays a basic requirement, AFAIU. So we already depend on external libraries for reasonable functioning. There's nothing new here.