From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 13:48:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83fsevyoi7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <878rkxgpms.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfiyk3a2.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <838rkp4ptj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgd58i7y.fsf@posteo.net> <83k0492u5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsew8g18.fsf@posteo.net> <83mt941cyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsewp0ec.fsf@posteo.net> <837d0814c9.fsf@gnu.org> <878rkooz1o.fsf@posteo.net> <831qqg1306.fsf@gnu.org> <874jvcowzm.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1soypvx.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1song5x.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <83leonzblf.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1318"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 12:49:39 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1os0dH-00006h-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:49:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1os0c1-0004FD-JT; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1os0c0-0004Ep-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1os0by-0004Pg-Gq; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=WYBv+Pp20coiESi8z3FySIheKfu6c3az1q9R2oYBLDc=; b=gR/qilmnaI27 1XdlNloum3a3FSh84jr+KXNjzskMrr8mqcI1R4Ooo1rm4iWVbyOUYesb2TVoJZLilxXxoVfI6i9oj PmOPphfpCS2UdbWF/UY+OG2yjSQwhOE20WVz1z6OlVYEyjGc6EOJ59MldOEldxNVAclGfIt7KkdI/ LTpEXGnNTr40Kxoesl6PNAhM1IkZckirlgT+wnjZUYJ0yXEHHbjLWwHpdP+PUEggchGCumi3+A9eR a9lX88uZISttiXNdXtLIdJ7AnmzLfayat9YeM4WsulwOn/UuOQ8ELnxtWr3Oi5AF3hvTEdTlT0+pL m+JfRuu24pRkPzNE1XSiLw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1os0bx-0004p3-3G; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:43:55 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299289 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:43:55 -0500 > > >> >> And if you think many do, why not clone the repository directly into > >> >> ~/.emacs.d/elpa/? > >> > > >> > Because that won't take care of scraping for autoloads, byte > >> > compilation and installing missing dependencies. > >> > >> Also because packages in there are expected to be installed under the > >> - directory, whereas when installing from Git a package > >> will be updated in place so its version number will keep changing, and > >> it would be inconvenient to rename its directory every time. > > > > Then how about removing that requirement for packages installed > > directly from their upstream repositories? > > Not sure what would be the benefit. Simplicity (only one location for installing packages) and solution for problems that otherwise need non-trivial tinkering. See the preceding discussions. > I personally like the distinction between `~/.emacs.d/elpa` (for > packages that are installed as "black boxes") and those installed from > Git which are stored in a "regular" location (i.e. where I keep my > source code rather than my config). I fail to recognize a significant advantage of this, and I definitely don't see how this would justify all the complications we've been discussing lately here. > The downside would be increased mutual dependency between the package-vc > and package-nonvc code. Why increased? And why downside? Emacs infrastructure packages are inter-dependent anyway, and we never saw that as a significant disadvantage.