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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210107 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qxcbKMOwjq8lgGEr3Ge4ndWrArTMfawbR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7tOFNPFc1AuvBSa7KpFioCgHehttOMpmq"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <83fd1db0-7362-6117-c5cd-715398c0dea4@gmail.com> Subject: Re: forward-comment and syntax-ppss References: <83zikdl7oo.fsf@gnu.org> <83y3zxkwms.fsf@gnu.org> <20161203143603.GA6921@acm.fritz.box> <43e8a279-3278-817b-7cd4-b669c5ae320b@yandex.ru> <20161204123434.GB2791@acm.fritz.box> <20161206195507.GA2996@acm.fritz.box> In-Reply-To: --7tOFNPFc1AuvBSa7KpFioCgHehttOMpmq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-12-07 09:49, Andreas R=F6hler wrote: > That was just an example. However, with this in mind, the file was > never ready for production. To be constructive: the major flaw in > this context are circular dependencies. Which was pointed at already. > As long as these circularities aren't dissolved, debugging might be > an ordeal. Can you give a concise description of what concretely is wrong with synta= x-ppss, and how it could be made better? "it might be a bit tricky to deb= ug" and "there's a scary comment somewhere in the source" are very weak r= easons to call it "never ready for production", no? Also: Isn't something that works fine on millions in of Emacs instances a= nd has been in production for over 15 years "ready for production" by def= inition? I haven't seen many issues reported about syntax-ppss since I s= tarted following the bugs list a year ago=85 Thanks! 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