From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git transition checklist Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:38:46 +0200 Message-ID: <83eh4gcpe1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20140108135200.8ECF9380834@snark.thyrsus.com> <1738kywelh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140108200216.GB5374@thyrsus.com> <6pr48h52eq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y52pg4ov.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <838uupeitt.fsf@gnu.org> <87sisxfu6q.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txddmmcj.fsf@igel.home> <87lhypfcs4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831u0hdrcp.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvoxf0x6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83txddc70n.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqi93pwi.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83mwj5c4zh.fsf@gnu.org> <87sisw52yo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83lhyodhlz.fsf@gnu.org> <87ob3k4ygx.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389335937 7648 80.91.229.3 (10 Jan 2014 06:38:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 10 07:39:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1VkE-0001Ba-LN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:39:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55522 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1VkE-00054q-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 01:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Vk6-00053s-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 01:39:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Vk1-0002Gs-GY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 01:38:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:36762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Vk1-0002Gn-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 01:38:49 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZ600F00ABUEL00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:38:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZ600FETAGN7L80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:38:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87ob3k4ygx.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167994 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:49:50 +0100 >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > >> Where is the "great extent" and how is it "invasive"? Because yo= u need > >> to remove hacks from the build system and Emacs itself? > > > > No, because a package should support building both from its sourc= e > > directory and outside it. Every other project does. >=20 > Emacs does not really support out-of-source builds. Only when building from bzr. Release tarballs can be built out of th= e source tree. > >> Placing build products in the source directory while doing an > >> out-of-source build is terrible, so the feature shouldn't exist = to begin > >> with. > > > > But I like it. And it's not up to you or the VCS to educate me a= bout > > that, >=20 > Then it is unfair to blame the tool when it does not match your > personal, against-the-standard views. Who blamed the tool? I didn't. And the "standard" does support in-tree builds. > Seriously, even if you find an acceptable workflow, supporting a tr= ue > out-of-source build (and making it the default) is something missin= g > from Emacs. As Glenn already said: patches are welcome.