From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:39:05 +0200 Message-ID: <83egrusj06.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419071969 12907 80.91.229.3 (20 Dec 2014 10:39:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, asr@ufl.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 20 11:39:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2HRP-0003d6-CI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:39:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33980 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2HRO-0001V0-Ky for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:39:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59751) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2HRH-0001Up-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:39:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2HRC-00073Y-OH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:39:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:46868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2HRC-000733-GJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGV00900M25ZJ00@mtaout25.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:34:52 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGV00BG2MQ46O10@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:34:52 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180365 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:30:37 +0900 > Cc: "Allen S. Rout" , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eric is stirring up nothing but trouble with his intemperate > vituperations. Karl is a little more circumspect, but he is also > going to fail. Of all free software philosophers, even more so than > RMS, *those two* should be well aware of the distinction between the > *software* and the *project*. A work of free software is the world's, > 'tis true, but nary a project be that be not "owned" by its > participants. I agree completely with what Stephen wrote, and that was also my gut feeling even before reading his post.