From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UI inconveniences with M-. Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:15:55 +0300 Message-ID: <83egn2ua7o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83zja6b3tc.fsf@gnu.org> <54A24079.4020902@yandex.ru> <54A2FF47.6010207@yandex.ru> <54A86135.7080004@yandex.ru> <54A90002.7080009@gmx.at> <54A9C3FB.7000602@yandex.ru> <54AA3881.3080304@gmx.at> <54ABBB47.7010603@yandex.ru> <837fszx7iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3r5wqwv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2wxwexb.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv7kwbow.fsf@gnu.org> <837fsvuefq.fsf@gnu.org> <5540FF87.3000903@yandex.ru> <83k2wuucwk.fsf@gnu.org> <554105FF.3090900@yandex.ru> <83h9ryub9v.fsf@gnu.org> <55410F7F.8080509@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430327778 24778 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2015 17:16:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 19:16:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVaj-0004GD-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:16:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40251 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVai-0007Jf-Eb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41382) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVae-0007JZ-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVaZ-0006KD-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:16:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:36220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVaZ-0006Iu-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:15:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NNK00100VJFWW00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NNK00M1UVJYWV40@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:10 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55410F7F.8080509@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186035 Archived-At: > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:06:07 +0300 > > On 04/29/2015 07:53 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I never said that. What I did say is that the problems exposed by the > > UI need to be fixed, no matter where. > > I full-heartedly agree that we should fix problems. > > Let me quote you here: > > "But that's largely immaterial: this bug report is not about the > back-end, it's about the UI." > > "We keep discussing the back-ends because you and Dmitry > consistently shift the discussion in that direction, so I feel > compelled to respond. But my perspective in filing the bug report was > the perspective of a user looking at the results through the UI" Where does this say that the problems need to be fixed in the UI? > So you seem to use the term "UI" to refer to the whole user experience > (as opposed to the UI part of xref, which does not include the > backends). This might be easier for you, but it leads to confusion, > because the rest of us are trying to discuss it at a more detailed level. I'm sorry that I confused you, and glad that we have that sorted out now. > > Thank you for your kind words. > > No offence intended. You could fool me.